2023 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

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AR3-GP wrote:
22 Oct 2023, 03:47
Somewhat strange comment by Duchessa because Ferrari ran sprint fuel loads during FP1 based on the race pace from FP1:
With 35 kg of fuel the degradation spoke in favor of Verstappen, then Hamilton and Norris.
Ferrari is more relaxed, it won't be easy to protect the rear but Leclerc and Sainz worked for tomorrow more than today
What does this even mean? Is he saying with more fuel Ferrari will be in better shape?

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jambuka wrote:
22 Oct 2023, 05:14
AR3-GP wrote:
22 Oct 2023, 03:47
Somewhat strange comment by Duchessa because Ferrari ran sprint fuel loads during FP1 based on the race pace from FP1:
With 35 kg of fuel the degradation spoke in favor of Verstappen, then Hamilton and Norris.
Ferrari is more relaxed, it won't be easy to protect the rear but Leclerc and Sainz worked for tomorrow more than today
What does this even mean? Is he saying with more fuel Ferrari will be in better shape?
It seems like he's saying tomorrow should be better, but almost like the car is setup more for high fuel, despite not actually running high fuel in FP1.

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AR3-GP wrote:
22 Oct 2023, 05:20
jambuka wrote:
22 Oct 2023, 05:14
AR3-GP wrote:
22 Oct 2023, 03:47
Somewhat strange comment by Duchessa because Ferrari ran sprint fuel loads during FP1 based on the race pace from FP1:



What does this even mean? Is he saying with more fuel Ferrari will be in better shape?
It seems like he's saying tomorrow should be better, but almost like the car is setup more for high fuel, despite not actually running high fuel in FP1.
Maybe they were on tomorrow’s fuel load for the sprint.

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jambuka wrote:
22 Oct 2023, 05:23
AR3-GP wrote:
22 Oct 2023, 05:20
jambuka wrote:
22 Oct 2023, 05:14


What does this even mean? Is he saying with more fuel Ferrari will be in better shape?
It seems like he's saying tomorrow should be better, but almost like the car is setup more for high fuel, despite not actually running high fuel in FP1.
Maybe they were on tomorrow’s fuel load for the sprint.
If they were carrying 3 times as much fuel as the others today, they are going to win every race from here to 2030. :lol:

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Z-one wrote:
22 Oct 2023, 03:06

ah,a bit complex. lol
the core of my reply is to make a analysis framework, which use aero dynamic and vehicle dynamic to analyze
the performance of car. however I have to admit my language and technical level cannot describe logic clearly even my logic may describe the fact what happened and predict the trend in the future. Sorry about that
I'm very specifically asking about the idea that the fueled car has a balance shift to the rear. You do know that the fuel tank is designed to be aligned with CoG - specifically to avoid weight transfer to the rear?
And they call it a stall. A STALL!

#DwarvesAreNaturalSprinters
#BlessYouLaddie

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AR3-GP wrote:
22 Oct 2023, 03:47
Somewhat strange comment by Duchessa because Ferrari ran sprint fuel loads during FP1 based on the race pace from FP1:
With 35 kg of fuel the degradation spoke in favor of Verstappen, then Hamilton and Norris.
Ferrari is more relaxed, it won't be easy to protect the rear but Leclerc and Sainz worked for tomorrow more than today
"the red tyre, which will allow the Spanish driver to have a better tire allocation for tomorrow's race" is nonsense as well - unless Ferrari plans to do a 4-stopper.

Duchessa is probably not at the track this weekend, is he?! I noticed it on AmuS as well, that the articles are less good when they are reporting from Germany.

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Our race will be against Russell, Perez and Piastri not Lewis, Max and Lando. They are way too quick.

Mercedes can produce much better lap times, while McL has way better degradation.

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CouncilorIrissa wrote:
22 Oct 2023, 00:29
Joint 3rd best in race trim. 2nd in WCC seems out of reach now.
Edit: actually scratch that, MCL looks quicker now too
Not a shocker considering the fact McLaren brought a completely new car recently for the second time this season and Mercedes brought a new floor to Austin while Ferrari’s last upgrade was a month ago.

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Xyz22 wrote:
22 Oct 2023, 11:51
Our race will be against Russell, Perez and Piastri not Lewis, Max and Lando. They are way too quick.

Mercedes can produce much better lap times, while McL has way better degradation.
You might be right, but If the Ferrari gets in the DRS train it will be almost impossible to overtake with the top speed.
Yersteday Norris struggled a lot to overtake Sainz with way worse tyres. Imagine for Russell (who is slower than Hamilton due to his higher DF setup).

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dialtone wrote:
22 Oct 2023, 01:31
If Vasseur is keeping it to himself, it's likely something dumb the team did. Watching the onboard, comms were minimal, had it been tire deg, temperatures or whatnot they would have talked about it.
Leclerc in general has very little coms compared to lets say verstappen who has to switch various settings almost every lap and on some tracks multiple times per lap. Ferrari and mercedes are much more automated in this aspect compared to RB. I dont know if its PU related or something else, hard to say.

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AR3-GP wrote:
22 Oct 2023, 05:20
jambuka wrote:
22 Oct 2023, 05:14
AR3-GP wrote:
22 Oct 2023, 03:47
Somewhat strange comment by Duchessa because Ferrari ran sprint fuel loads during FP1 based on the race pace from FP1:



What does this even mean? Is he saying with more fuel Ferrari will be in better shape?
It seems like he's saying tomorrow should be better, but almost like the car is setup more for high fuel, despite not actually running high fuel in FP1.
He said that with the fuel load of the sprint, the deg of Ferrari was worse than Max and Hamilton/Norris (who are close to each other); then, he said Ferrari has low downforce, so it will be hard to protect the rears.

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Looking at Lec's onboard you can see high speed corners kill this car, its simply not got the downforce in sector 1 and T19 (-20 kmh vs max), and after tyres are worn a bit it also loses traction. They went too far on dragster setup.

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Juzh wrote:
22 Oct 2023, 15:08
Looking at Lec's onboard you can see high speed corners kill this car, its simply not got the downforce in sector 1 and T19 (-20 kmh vs max), and after tyres are worn a bit it also loses traction. They went too far on dragster setup.
I remember the SF90 suffered from the same issue on this track. Vettel DNF, but Leclerc ended up +50sec behind Bottas who won.

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Juzh wrote:
22 Oct 2023, 15:08
Looking at Lec's onboard you can see high speed corners kill this car, its simply not got the downforce in sector 1 and T19 (-20 kmh vs max), and after tyres are worn a bit it also loses traction. They went too far on dragster setup.
On the first lap, the amount of time he lost to Hamilton by the time they reached T11, considering that Hamilton had only overtaken him in T4, was something else. He's too far away to come back at Hamilton on the straight. That medium downforce setup is killing them here.

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AR3-GP wrote:
22 Oct 2023, 15:52
Juzh wrote:
22 Oct 2023, 15:08
Looking at Lec's onboard you can see high speed corners kill this car, its simply not got the downforce in sector 1 and T19 (-20 kmh vs max), and after tyres are worn a bit it also loses traction. They went too far on dragster setup.
On the first lap, the amount of time he lost to Hamilton by the time they reached T11, considering that Hamilton had only overtaken him in T4, was something else. He's too far away to come back at Hamilton on the straight. That medium downforce setup is killing them here.
The car is even worse with a high dwf setup.
You can't make the SF 23 go fast in a track like Austin. I don't understand this narrative about the setup...