2023 Mercedes-AMG | Petronas F1 Team

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organic wrote:
23 Oct 2023, 01:04
f1jcw wrote:
23 Oct 2023, 01:02
chrisc90 wrote:
23 Oct 2023, 01:01


The rest passed. It’s a document to state that 2 cars failed the checks and was being reported to the stewards.

There will likely be another few documents that says xyz was checked on all cars and found to be passed.
Yeah but usually they don’t test every car for everything, they usually pick at random
Is it possible that if they randomly find one driver is in breach of plank wear that they check all of the cars in this department?
You would hope so

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f1jcw wrote:
23 Oct 2023, 01:02
chrisc90 wrote:
23 Oct 2023, 01:01
f1jcw wrote:
23 Oct 2023, 00:46
Be nice to know which others passed, for all we know only these two were picked for this test. If it’s 100% failure, they should test more.
The rest passed. It’s a document to state that 2 cars failed the checks and was being reported to the stewards.

There will likely be another few documents that says xyz was checked on all cars and found to be passed.
Yeah but usually they don’t test every car for everything, they usually pick at random
Nah, all the cars have a standardised checks they do post race. Fuel/ oil sample, ride height, rpm checks, deployment etc. normally 1 car is chosen at random for further in depth checks between races.

See here:



Oh - actually looks like a selection get more advanced checks

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In terms of plank wear they check every car every race in this area. Among other things. It's randomly picked that certain cars have a full further in-depth look
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That actually seems to support me, they only checked the floor on 2 cars on that document

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f1jcw wrote:
23 Oct 2023, 01:08
That actually seems to support me, they only checked the floor on 2 cars on that document
It’s a report to the stewards about 2 cars that failed. There will be a seperate one in time about the remaining cars that pass.

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organic wrote:
23 Oct 2023, 01:08
In terms of plank wear they check every car every race in this area. Among other things. It's randomly picked that certain cars have a full further in-depth look
Be interesting if these 2 cars failed both or just the more advanced check.

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https://www.fia.com/documents/champions ... -2021-1108

Have a pop back and read the FIA docs on how matters are brought up. This is perfectly ordinary.

It would be a pretty impossible task of randomly selecting 2 random cars for a plank check and they both fail it.

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Unfortunately it seems pretty slam dunk to me.

I’m so frustrated right now and I was about to go to sleep..

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So we have a number

4 cars tested - 2 failed
50% failure rate.

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Well done Mercedes...good lord

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organic wrote:
23 Oct 2023, 00:30
AR3-GP wrote:
23 Oct 2023, 00:27
Luscion wrote:
23 Oct 2023, 00:23


In what way do you mean?
Merc lost at COTA in '21 by staying out and "extending" stints. Hamilton himself lost to Bottas here in '19 because they tried to 1 stop. The race winning strategy for the last 4 years in COTA has been 2 stop with undercuts or stopping before the opposition. Merc has either left Hamilton on the 1 stop ('19), or done their purposeless stint extending ('21,'23).
Once you've been undercut by a car of similar pace and if you don't have a top speed advantage - in merc's case a deficit - you just have to extend to generate a tyre age offset which then will give you more pace delta to overtake when you do catch them. It's completely standard pitstop strategy and everyone does it. We don't tend to see RB do the extend strategy because they rarely get undercut because they have the fastest car and can afford to trigger an early undercut knowing they will be able to pull enough of a gap in clean air such that they won't be at risk at the end of the stint.

Van haren (max/RB insider) posted that RB knew Hamilton's strategy was a good one. It's probably the strategy max would've been on had Lewis or Norris blinked first in stint 1
During the sprint race, LH's medium tires were good for around 5 laps before pace starts to drop off. Perhaps Merc doesnt want to run long on the medium for the last stint.

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Lewis (and Charles) are disqualified

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No points for two races, all that effort today for nothing. Merc really screwed him here

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Puts the new floor into question. Was the pace from the upgrade or running an illegal car?

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Cs98 wrote:
23 Oct 2023, 02:26
Puts the new floor into question. Was the pace from the upgrade or running an illegal car?
Did you not see George? Or for that matter, Charles.