2023 Oracle Red Bull Racing F1 Team

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The tractor RB with infinite ground clearance stands tallest and with no worries of plank wear waché masterclass ofc

[Juzh]

2nd is gone.

maybe not after all

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2nd is gone.

maybe not after all

19 points becomes 39

[AR3-GP]

rumors of Perez's demise were greatly exaggerated

[Sieper]

Checo,Checo,Checo.

This mantra apparently does help.

[AR3-GP]

It's really the home stretch for Perez. All remaining tracks are good for him. There are no more of the high speed s type corners that he struggles with. Mexico is Mexico. He will give everything he has there. Vegas is a street circuit. He has been good in Brazil. Abu Dhabi is also his kind of track.

He must simply finish in the top 5 until the end.

[TFSA]

If anything, this picture shows Verstappen has the more loaded front wing. Assuming the part connected to the nose cose is identical, you can see the flap on Verstappens car is higer relative to that than the flap on Perez' car.

But different angles, different speeds.

Are a couple of clicks extra on the FW visible on random pictures? I doubt it very much.

I almost suspect you of trolling right now. It's very clear to me on the pictures posted that Verstappen is running less front wing than Perez. It's easily visible.

[TimW]

If anything, this picture shows Verstappen has the more loaded front wing. Assuming the part connected to the nose cose is identical, you can see the flap on Verstappens car is higer relative to that than the flap on Perez' car.

But different angles, different speeds.

Are a couple of clicks extra on the FW visible on random pictures? I doubt it very much.

I almost suspect you of trolling right now. It's very clear to me on the pictures posted that Verstappen is running less front wing than Perez. It's easily visible.

Well, I fully agree with Marcel. Look at the COTA pictures, right side of the wing(left for the viewer). For Perez, the adjustable part of the top flap forms a continuous line with the fixed inner part near the nose. For Verstappen, the adjustable part clearly stands higher than the fixed part. So that would be more front flap angle for Max.

[djos]

If anything, this picture shows Verstappen has the more loaded front wing. Assuming the part connected to the nose cose is identical, you can see the flap on Verstappens car is higer relative to that than the flap on Perez' car.

But different angles, different speeds.

Are a couple of clicks extra on the FW visible on random pictures? I doubt it very much.

I almost suspect you of trolling right now. It's very clear to me on the pictures posted that Verstappen is running less front wing than Perez. It's easily visible.

Well, I fully agree with Marcel. Look at the COTA pictures, right side of the wing(left for the viewer). For Perez, the adjustable part of the top flap forms a continuous line with the fixed inner part near the nose. For Verstappen, the adjustable part clearly stands higher than the fixed part. So that would be more front flap angle for Max.

Which fits in with what we know about both drivers preferences - Max likes a pointy front end, Checo much less so.

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Right but two top of the line trackside journalists are reporting otherwise and in my opinion the pictures back up their testimony. Duchessa reported at Qatar that RB arrived with base setups with Checo using more front wing than max. Mark Hughes talks about Max running less wing at COTA then Checo

[djos]

Right but two top of the line trackside journalists are reporting otherwise and in my opinion the pictures back up their testimony. Duchessa reported at Qatar that RB arrived with base setups with Checo using more front wing than max. Mark Hughes talks about Max running less wing at COTA then Checo

Sure, but did those reports only look at the front wing angles? F1 Cars have rear wings too, at least last time I checked.

[Rinde]

It is nice that after the domination this year with Max leading laps, the strategy team has not gotten rusty. The ability to roll the dice and be decisive in a positive manner is great. I guess one upside of Checo starting low on the grid has kept the strategy team o their toes.

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Right but two top of the line trackside journalists are reporting otherwise and in my opinion the pictures back up their testimony. Duchessa reported at Qatar that RB arrived with base setups with Checo using more front wing than max. Mark Hughes talks about Max running less wing at COTA then Checo

Sure, but did those reports only look at the front wing angles? F1 Cars have rear wings too, at least last time I checked.

With the current generation of the rear wings, you can't change the rear wing flap angle for a given assembly. It's why rear wing design is so critical in this new regulation era. Lack of discontinuous endplate/plane connection means you can't just change the wing angle with the same RW assembly

Also here are two front wings. Images taken by the same photographer from the same place observing the cars at the same corner at the same point of turn-in. Which car is running more front wing?

1



2

[djos]

Right but two top of the line trackside journalists are reporting otherwise and in my opinion the pictures back up their testimony. Duchessa reported at Qatar that RB arrived with base setups with Checo using more front wing than max. Mark Hughes talks about Max running less wing at COTA then Checo

Sure, but did those reports only look at the front wing angles? F1 Cars have rear wings too, at least last time I checked.

With the current generation of the rear wings, you can't change the rear wing flap angle for a given assembly. It's why rear wing design is so critical in this new regulation era. Lack of discontinuous endplate/plane connection means you can't just change the wing angle with the same RW assembly

Also here are two front wings. Images taken by the same photographer from the same place observing the cars at the same corner at the same point of turn-in. Which car is running more front wing?

1

https://i.imgur.com/HDCX26a.jpeg

2

https://i.imgur.com/GNk5wxN.jpeg

Good point - however, those are 2 different spec front wings, not just different angles. I'd tell you which makes more DF, but my EyeBall-CFD module was never installed.

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Sure, but did those reports only look at the front wing angles? F1 Cars have rear wings too, at least last time I checked.

With the current generation of the rear wings, you can't change the rear wing flap angle for a given assembly. It's why rear wing design is so critical in this new regulation era. Lack of discontinuous endplate/plane connection means you can't just change the wing angle with the same RW assembly

Also here are two front wings. Images taken by the same photographer from the same place observing the cars at the same corner at the same point of turn-in. Which car is running more front wing?

1

https://i.imgur.com/HDCX26a.jpeg

2

https://i.imgur.com/GNk5wxN.jpeg

Good point - however, those are 2 different spec front wings, not just different angles. I'd tell you which makes more DF, but my EyeBall-CFD module was never installed.

Yes I agree that the flap configurations are not the same. However we know that RB only have 2 used flap configurations. It launched at Bahrain with only the low-medium downforce wing available. The medium-high front wing config was brought @ Australia much to the relief of Verstappen. He was complaining about the lack of this wing at Bahrain over the radio in subtle ways to GP all weekend.

Low-medium downforce (brought at Bahrain)



Medium-high downforce (brought at Australia). Imaged below with additional gurney for Monaco (further proof it's the higher df option)



Upper is the low-medium launch spec and the lower is the medium-high spec. The chord is significantly higher inboard, and there is a lot more camber along its entire span.



If you compare the above image to the flaps used by the two cars at COTA, you can see pretty clear what's happening:

Car 1 (Verstappen) is using the launch spec front wing while car 2 (Perez) is using the higher downforce wing spec brought at Australia. The same was true at Qatar.

The fact that RB only have 2 different sets of front wing flaps makes it very easy to be sure about this