2023 Oracle Red Bull Racing F1 Team

[djos]

Good points.

[chrisc90]

Good points for checo in the end. 39 ahead now with 4 races to go. Means Lewis has to outscore him by 9.75 points a race - excluding sprint races.
Checo just realistically needs top 6 or 7 finishes.

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RB withdraws its new wind tunnel planning permission application

[Juzh]

What possible reasons are there?

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What possible reasons are there?

Not sure. It's possible they were locked into certain decisions by the previous application that are no longer feasible..

Maybe they don't want to demolish the previously targeted warehouse anymore?

I suspect if they want to modify the plans in a large way they'd have to reapply with a new application. So that could be the reason - most likely one I can think of

Others being that the electricity price has come down a lot since 2022 and it may not be such a problem anymore financially heating the tunnel up

[AR3-GP]

Comparing the car on Saturday to Sunday reminded me of the infamous GT5 grip bug....iykyk.

[AR3-GP]

What possible reasons are there?

The more troubling take is Mintzlaff not wanting to pay for it...

[AR3-GP]

Helmut Marko says Max's brakes 'detoriated rapidly' during the race

"We had changed the brake pads and somehow they deteriorated rapidly during the race."

"That didn't give him the right feeling. Sometimes he braked predominantly with the front of the car, sometimes predominantly with the rear. It made it very difficult for him to drive at the limit, but he worked around those problems masterfully."

[TimW]

.....

Truly weird that I did not see that the wings were different. Now it is so obvious. Guess that the assumption that they would be running the same spec made me look just for references for the adjustment angle, not the overall picture.

[AR3-GP]

What possible reasons are there?

Latest update on the new windtunnel is that it's being planned in a new location and will still be ready for the '26 car.

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/new- ... 2026%20car.

The world champion squad had originally planned to build a brand new facility at its base, which it felt was needed to keep the team at the cutting edge of F1 car development over the long term.

A site near its technology campus had been sorted and the team had formally applied for planning permission for construction to go ahead.

However, as part of major ongoing developments at Milton Keynes in the wake of the construction of a new Red Bull Powertrains facility and more factory expansion, the team has elected to now slightly shift the location of the planned wind tunnel.

The change, which will put the facility in a more suitable location, means that the original planning permission is no longer valid and has been withdrawn.

It is understood that fresh paperwork will now be prepared to be submitted for approval.

While this new process will take some time, the team believes that the change of location will not actually have much of an impact on when the facility should be up-and-running, with it likely to be what the team uses for development of its 2026 car.

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Thank you very much for posting that and it's relieving

However I don't think there's much to be gained from the new tunnel - not nearly as much as McLaren/AMR would gain from theirs.

For RB It seems to be a cost efficiency thing: Newey talked about the current WT last year and complained that because it's not originally designed for F1 it's not perfect in some obvious ways. It's massive and old: it takes a long time to get up to speed and there is a lot of air to heat.

Such issues for the meantime are somewhat lessened by the team not getting to run the WT much thanks to the sliding scale.. but makes sense to make the change with budget cap here to stay

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Further discrepancy on the Perez front wing

He ran significantly more gurney flap at Suzuka than Verstappen





But LuisFeF1 also shows that Max used less front wing at Singapore and Monza as well. So this has been a trend since Zandvoort!

[ValeVida46]

Thank you very much for posting that and it's relieving

However I don't think there's much to be gained from the new tunnel - not nearly as much as McLaren/AMR would gain from theirs.

For RB It seems to be a cost efficiency thing: Newey talked about the current WT last year and complained that because it's not originally designed for F1 it's not perfect in some obvious ways. It's massive and old: it takes a long time to get up to speed and there is a lot of air to heat.

Such issues for the meantime are somewhat lessened by the team not getting to run the WT much thanks to the sliding scale.. but makes sense to make the change with budget cap here to stay

This doesn't make much sense.

If it's not perfect in obvious ways, and other teams gain from having newer wind tunnels, why would there not be "much to be gained"?
The team still need a wind tunnel regardless of the sliding scale.

[Tommy Cookers]

...electricity price has come down a lot since 2022 and it may not be such a problem anymore financially heating the tunnel up

er what ?
I thought that wind tunnels needed cooling rather than heating

btw maybe the key to ground effect modelling is coastdown tunnels eg Catesby isn't far away

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Thank you very much for posting that and it's relieving

However I don't think there's much to be gained from the new tunnel - not nearly as much as McLaren/AMR would gain from theirs.

For RB It seems to be a cost efficiency thing: Newey talked about the current WT last year and complained that because it's not originally designed for F1 it's not perfect in some obvious ways. It's massive and old: it takes a long time to get up to speed and there is a lot of air to heat.

Such issues for the meantime are somewhat lessened by the team not getting to run the WT much thanks to the sliding scale.. but makes sense to make the change with budget cap here to stay

This doesn't make much sense.

If it's not perfect in obvious ways, and other teams gain from having newer wind tunnels, why would there not be "much to be gained"?
The team still need a wind tunnel regardless of the sliding scale.

RB have continuously upgraded the current WT. Every couple of years afaik

In terms of its ability to be reliable, to simulate yaw, its location relative to the factory, its availability etc all is fine. They would've invested in a new tunnel far earlier than 2022 if it was a performance limiting factor - consider that RB chased every advantage they could in the years 2014-2020 to make up for the engine deficit. But they would leave the wind tunnel on the table if they knew it was a large deficit?

McLaren and AMR have much larger issues with their current tunnels. McLaren's in France and can't simulate more than a few degrees of yaw, also not their own so more expensive to use. AMR only can use the WT on the weekends as they share with Mercedes. Again a bad situation