2023 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

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1. Pole on the track where P2 always leads.
2. Tire wear is too good, so gets pushed onto 1 stopper
3. Team tries to add 20 seconds to his race with 10 laps to go.
4. Toothache
5. DQ'd

The winter cannot come soon enough for CL16.
A lion must kill its prey.

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AR3-GP wrote:
24 Oct 2023, 04:23
1. Pole on the track where P2 always leads.
2. Tire wear is too good, so gets pushed onto 1 stopper
3. Team tries to add 20 seconds to his race with 10 laps to go.
4. Toothache
5. DQ'd

The winter cannot come soon enough for CL16.
Nothing new for him. Only driver that is always put under additional pressure by his own team which is also one of the reasons why they have won nothing in the last 10 seasons.
jambuka wrote:
23 Oct 2023, 17:59
ferrarifire wrote:
23 Oct 2023, 17:11
I have no hopes on Ferrari retaining 2nd spot on the constructors championship.. strategy sucks ..with the Mercedes update, there is no way Ferrari can challenge Mercedes

AR3-GP wrote:
15 Oct 2023, 06:22


The Haas will be RB concept with Ferrari engine and Ferrari suspension. Of course Ferrari is not working directly with Haas because that is verboten but I'm certain there are things that anyone could learn from "afar".
Actually Russel wasn’t that fast with Merc upgrade. HAM was but ride height was too low. Next race will tell if Merc can be as fast with higher setup.
We don't know if Sainz and Russell cars were complaint. Moreover, we don't know if there was a ride height difference and what was the actual impact on lap time.

Mercedes looked very fast with Lewis on all compounds, who is a specialist of this track.

By the way, according to Formula.uno Sainz and Leclerc were on very similar setups, including ride height.

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Xyz22 wrote:
24 Oct 2023, 09:57

Nothing new for him. Only driver that is always put under additional pressure by his own team
Are you really saying this after Monza when Ferrari almost ruin a great result just to allow Charles fighting Sainz?

Even after previous GPs when opposite to this Sainz was NOT allowed to fight Charles?

People have EXTREMELLY short memories... #-o

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scuderiabrandon wrote:
22 Oct 2023, 22:44
Andreas125x will not be seen after this race in the thread.
Trash your crystal ball, it's fooling you :lol:

And it's Andres, not Andreas :wink:

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organic wrote:
23 Oct 2023, 00:49
Alonsismo wrote:
23 Oct 2023, 00:43
if they DSQ ham and lec, then at least is a podium for sainz
Andres125x will return claiming Leclerc should've driven over fewer bumps and worn the plank less like sainz
Another futurologist who should look for a new job #-o

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scuderiabrandon wrote:
23 Oct 2023, 00:55
organic wrote:
23 Oct 2023, 00:49
Alonsismo wrote:
23 Oct 2023, 00:43
if they DSQ ham and lec, then at least is a podium for sainz
Andres125x will return claiming Leclerc should've driven over fewer bumps and worn the plank less like sainz
We'll never hear the end of this.
Specially with posts like this one from your side :wink:

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Reality is Ferrari ruined another weekend with dumb strategies to both drivers, and showing, again, an impressive inability to react, unlike Mercedes, who also tried 1 stopper, but they did react and did switch to 2 stopper strategy

Ferrari... #-o

About conspiracies read on this thread about Ferrari, Santander, Lecrerc's engineer, all of them working against Lecrerc, who actually is Ferrari golden boy.... guys, keep it real please

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Sounds like maybe Ferrari could take a new PU at Mexico and go for the Vegas win? :shock:

Anyway some other good snippets
Diego Ioverno, Ferrari sporting director, admitted that the SF-23 was raised after FP1 having noticed how the disconnections could damage the surface and wear out the skid excessively, but this was not enough because until Sunday it was not possible study the behavior of the car with maximum fuel on board.
According to what formu1a.uno learned , the two Ferrari SF-23s had very similar setup settings and this suggests that Carlos Sainz's situation was not different in terms of wear.



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Andres125sx wrote:
24 Oct 2023, 12:44
About conspiracies read on this thread about Ferrari, Santander, Lecrerc's engineer, all of them working against Lecrerc, who actually is Ferrari golden boy.... guys, keep it real please
Agreed, there are so many posters in this thread that are completely deluded regarding the supposed shadowy Spanish overlordship over Ferrari. It's beyond ridiculous.

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organic wrote:
24 Oct 2023, 12:56
Sounds like maybe Ferrari could take a new PU at Mexico and go for the Vegas win? :shock:

Anyway some other good snippets
Diego Ioverno, Ferrari sporting director, admitted that the SF-23 was raised after FP1 having noticed how the disconnections could damage the surface and wear out the skid excessively, but this was not enough because until Sunday it was not possible study the behavior of the car with maximum fuel on board.
According to what formu1a.uno learned , the two Ferrari SF-23s had very similar setup settings and this suggests that Carlos Sainz's situation was not different in terms of wear.


Some people really thought that Sainz and Russell would use a more conservative ride height setting and lose performance :D

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Xyz22 wrote:
24 Oct 2023, 13:35

Some people really thought that Sainz and Russell would use a more conservative ride height setting and lose performance :D
Who? I've not read a single word in that regard

No need to invent false arguments, it was a Ferrari mistake obviously, and none said otherwise

As Sainz would say, stop inventing! :P :mrgreen:

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It's hard to compare the difference in level between Leclerc and Sainz in this race. I would even say it's more impressive than what Max did to Checo in Miami. Yes, I know it's controversial, but I will give two arguments - 1) in Miami there was basically no degradation for Red Bulls and some other cars, so both drivers had very long stints on Hards and 2) by their own admission Checo (on Mediums) was managing the first stint and Max (on Hards) was pushing.

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Here it was reverse, Sainz was pushing on Mediums and Leclerc was managing on Hards. And they had the same pace while overlapping. It's stunning. Sainz is not much of a qualifier compared to Leclerc and getting the pole last year was quite telling of what he can do - both last year and this. And still, Leclerc was just outright head and shoulders above him the whole weekend. Sainz needs to start inventing better pace, immediately.

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And judging by the pace vs Hamilton and Norris, he was more than capable of fighting for P2 with any sane 2-stop strategy Ferrari could have come up with. Hell, even if they followed Lewis for second stop the lap after he did, P3 would have been in the bag - easy!

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An inside information from Ferrari is that Leclerc may have caused excess wear on the plank, since he was pushing over some parts of the track which were agreed to be managing zones (due to bumps, kerbs etc) in the final laps of the race to try and salvage any decent result after a complete strategy screw-up. Like so many races this year, when you take a look at lap times, you can easily see when the tyres start to go and all you need is one lap to confirm. Ferrari is completely in the dark about tyre behaviour and can't simulate their stint life accordingly. They are also insanely stiff and unadaptable when it comes to tweaking the strategy mid-race and these two strategy-related problems must be Vasseur's number 1 priority, right now.

Tyre incomprehension is also a major issue for suspension design obviously, but at this point it seems they somehow managed to take care of that since the start of the season. So it's not so much about being able to extract the maximum out of them, but rather understanding what that maximum is. And that requires being ready and able to adapt to conditions in the race and respond to the actual behaviour on track, rather than pushing with a pre-determined plan despite of everyone else around you giving up on that idea.
And they call it a stall. A STALL!

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Hamilton was too strong, but yeah Charles would have passed Norris for sure.

Charles was super quick this weekend considering how strong Sainz usually is and the issues of the SF 23 that are terrible for Leclerc's driving style. Unfortunately, as usual, Ferrari ruined his weekend. Not the first time and won't be the last.

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Vanja #66 wrote:
24 Oct 2023, 16:36
Sainz needs to start inventing better pace, immediately.
Sure his pace was far from great compared to Charles, at this GP.

OTOH most people, including myself, were expecting this superiority from Charles more consistently, but in the end he only shines from time to time, while Sainz is more consistent bringing results and points, which is the reason he's 20 points ahead Leclerc in the table

Vanja #66 wrote:
24 Oct 2023, 16:36
An inside information from Ferrari is that Leclerc may have caused excess wear on the plank, since he was pushing over some parts of the track which were agreed to be managing zones (due to bumps, kerbs etc)

Thanks for the inside information proving the disqualification was Leclerc mistake, even if that was not your intention. I did assume that was a Ferrari mistake, but with this inside information I have to exonerate the red team for this DSQ

If they know beforehand those parts of the track will cause excessive wear, instruct the drivers who agree to manage those zones to prevent a penalty, ignoring that instruction just because you are out of position due to whatever, is a terrible idea.

Charles knew that would cause excessive wear, did it anycase, it caused excessive wear, so he was DSQ. The reasons he did it are irrelevant

Rookie mistake by Charles #-o
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Xyz22 wrote:
24 Oct 2023, 17:30

Charles was super quick this weekend
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Unfortunately, as usual, Ferrari ruined his weekend. Not the first time and won't be the last.
Agree 100%, Charles was out of reach for Sainz the whole weekend, his main problem was Ferrari strategy department, as usual with the red team

There are few weekends they do not ruin some of his driver's race, if not both at the same time