Vesti in the car for fp1 at Mexico
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So much has been said over and over again, but it just never seems to land in your head ..ringo wrote: ↑24 Oct 2023, 02:26Do you remember AD 2021? Look on the grand stands as LH circulated. Not a peep as the orange army sulked slowly accepting the reality of defeat. 8 titles for lewis in his little controversial helmet in the middle east. Then magically masi took action... for the show. The grand stands erupted with jubilation.chrisc90 wrote: ↑23 Oct 2023, 21:43Some fans ignorance to the sport as a whole shoudnt have an effect on the paddock/teams.ringo wrote: ↑23 Oct 2023, 21:10
Well the FIA disagreed when he crossed the track in Qatar. What did they call him? A role model to the sport and so deserves more punishment.
The sport damages itself when things like these happen. Most fans do not understand what the plank is, and they do not know the significance of it. Heck, even the FIA cannot quantity the significance of 1mm of plank in one area. All the fans see is the guy who spiced up the show getting disqualified. You can read the social media comments to get a sample of the broader F-1 fans' views. They would have saved face to some degree handling it differently by doing a full inspection. Selecting the top 4 only was not random.
Whats going to be damaging more? Letting teams off because their car failed a post race test because the fans dont understand the rules, or not enforcing the rules properly and it just becomes a free for all with the teams not following the rules? Its pretty simple. The technical regs/rule book is there to be adhered to.
Lets look at it from a different perspective. Lewis, 'the star of the show' (lol), is leading 2/3 of the race before the next car behind, maybe one of his rivals for the title, is making inroads of a second a lap because of better tyres, the cars slammed and the downforce and grips levels are amazing. Last lap, that guy overtakes Lewis and goes on to win the race. Come 2 hours down the line, mr FIA finds that the car was under the minimum weight, or too light on fuel, or the plank was excessively worn. They refer it to the stewards, who decide, nah, we not going to disqualify him this time, even though the car didnt conform to the rules. Which set of fans are going to be crying out saying that car should have been disqualified and its damaged the sport because he wasnt disqualified and Lewis deserved the win.
Its a super poor excuse from yourself, and ive absolutely no idea why you seem to be sticking with it on the basis xyz million people have disagreed with the decision on social media...then claiming its damaging the sport. Come on, i'd expect a better argument from yourself on that one to be fair.
Absolutely, we should be seeing more cars under-going full technical checks after the race. But what we dont know is...
A: how many staff the FIA put on this task
B: how long it takes
C: what specialist equipment they need etc.
So i do no thibk you can make a case for FIA damaging the sport for the sake of the fans. 2021 is empirical evidence that the show holds more weight than the regulations when it comes to damage. I am not disputing the events, but giving you the best example of show and protagonist vs upholding rules.
LH fastest lap is already quicker than MV at Austin. Based on what you said he should have won the raceringo wrote: ↑25 Oct 2023, 00:40Shifting gears a bit i think Russel should have been charged with making Perez race difficult from Qatar. Even at COTA russel had a role to play and did not really focus on hampering Perez.
Lewis can catch Perez if Russel backs him up.
Regarding the performance of the W14. It's amusing how such a compromised car that gets a little upgrade can rattle redbull.
Myself and others have said it before... we only need to be within 2.5 tenths to win constructors and even the drivers titles.
COTA was a little taste of what can happen. The W14 had no business storming after the RB19. But Hamilton just needs the confidence to extract lap time and relentless race pace. I hope the team continues to build the car around him provided it doesnt wear the plank.
With the current W14 I dare say Hamilton can win maybe 3 races this year. The redbull rear end will still be on another level in Abu Dahbi though. Thr other caveat is the brake issues from Max. Were they real or in his head?
If they were real how much was it costing him?
I can understand if you chose to skip it, but did you by chance watch the sprint race?ringo wrote: ↑25 Oct 2023, 01:40The only counter claim to my optimism is the RB19 rideheight. Will slamming it back to the ground for Mexico and the smoother tracks throw cokd water on any semblance of mercedes closing the gap?
I see the helmut marko comments on the brakes but I am not convinced Max brakes were wearing more than normal. The engineer did not tell him to manage the wear. Normally the pitwall would see an issue and tell the driver brakes are critical. So i dont think Max's pace is hindered by the brakes. More the rideheight and loss of downforce could be responsible for his brake feeling.
Agree with this. Tentatively, and disregarding this years race "positional" performance, the front suspension shift at Monaco along with more contemporary front floor entrances via strakes, appear to have generally squeezed this chassis into a more consistently stable platform for the drivers. It's going to be interesting to hear how it communicates with both drivers through these late season races, would at first test against competitors (Cota) to look largely positive.K1Plus wrote: ↑25 Oct 2023, 11:51To be honest this race, even though it is super bumpy etc. this is the most stable Mercedes has looked all year. Balance good across all corner ranges, good slow corner and good high speed corner performance. Lewis said according to Toto that he can "feel the rear" now. I mean this is good, considering the cockpit is still very far forward.
Let Allison cook.
Well you said it yourself, it was not in the data. It probably was in his head. The car did feel different, he was not lying (most like to say Hamilton lies if he reports a feeling), but I suspect the downforce level and overall balance changed because of the unusual ride height. We saw him struggle in Singapore because of these setup windows as well.organic wrote: ↑25 Oct 2023, 01:54The brake problem was not visible in the data. This is already known
Max said the brake issue was real, caused loss of feeling, made a rhythm impossible, and they need to do work to understand it
The brakes issue was causing him constant lockups of the front and rear (as he moved the bb around to try to avoid doing it) which was apparent on the onboard. This directly affects performance in terms of tyre wear as you're constantly damaging the tyres doing this..
But yes you know better than the team, driver and anyone that can watch the publicly available onboard
Ringo what are you on about? The ride height was the same on Saturday and Sunday, fuel aside. Parc ferme rules. Did you watch the sprint race?ringo wrote: ↑26 Oct 2023, 00:25Well you said it yourself, it was not in the data. It probably was in his head. The car did feel different, he was not lying (most like to say Hamilton lies if he reports a feeling), but I suspect the downforce level and overall balance changed because of the unusual ride height. We saw him struggle in Singapore because of these setup windows as well.organic wrote: ↑25 Oct 2023, 01:54The brake problem was not visible in the data. This is already known
Max said the brake issue was real, caused loss of feeling, made a rhythm impossible, and they need to do work to understand it
The brakes issue was causing him constant lockups of the front and rear (as he moved the bb around to try to avoid doing it) which was apparent on the onboard. This directly affects performance in terms of tyre wear as you're constantly damaging the tyres doing this..
But yes you know better than the team, driver and anyone that can watch the publicly available onboard
Saying all this to say, the closed gap to Mercedes may be driven solely by Redbull's ride height. Unfortunately I feel the gap will grow when the RB19 sits itself down again for Mexico, despite Mercedes tuning for their floor.
They can run a small long run on race start fuel loads - RB do it every sprint weekend. Mercedes always do a simulation with sprint fuel loads.. maybe we'll see this changecplchanb wrote: ↑26 Oct 2023, 00:41https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/merc ... /10537759/
apparently Hams floor was fine after FP1 and they went off of that. Perhaps it was a false reading since they didnt have race fuel. Also just kinda shows how bad the sprint race format can be since teams have no ability to check their cars for plank damage after the sprint.