2023 Mexican Grand Prix - Autódromo Hermanos Rodríguez, Oct 27 - 29

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organic wrote:
28 Oct 2023, 01:25
Telemetry indicates RB running detuned modes as usual and Verstappen brought tyres in gently. But it looks like, from the running in fp2, McLaren will be 2nd force here.

Data and chart from Federico Albano on twitter

https://twitter.com/Fred__18/status/171 ... 4EkkQ&s=19

https://i.imgur.com/AAjhIdU.jpeg
A bit of context. Norris was the only one with a new medium (according to live info). Lewis tyres were the oldest, 11 laps. Leclerc 7 laps, Sainz and Max 6 laps.

McL seems second-best yep. Max will do a race on his own here. As usual, RB has literally no deg.

Leclerc and Sainz drop doesn't make a lot of sense. Over 1.5s out of nowhere. Maybe graining?

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organic wrote:
28 Oct 2023, 00:45
Ferrari now significantly faster than RB/Macca on straights. Engine mode turned up a little like they often do for FP2?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F9euXGJXAAA ... =4096x4096
Norris did 5-6 laps consecutive after his quali sim. (he was going to do more but aborted cause of incoming rain) so they possibly had more fuel. The straight line was more comparable in the long runs...

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Need Perez on the hard on that. From the timing it looked very competitive.
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So Mclaren dont have any more low speed weakness?
Unless the hogh df package is compensating.
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ringo wrote:
28 Oct 2023, 02:32
So Mclaren dont have any more low speed weakness?
Unless the hogh df package is compensating.
Same setup was used at cota and had issues there in low speed

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chrisc90 wrote:
28 Oct 2023, 01:45
Need Perez on the hard on that. From the timing it looked very competitive.
looks like the hard is a good race tire in general. Perez, Albon, Ricciardo were all about equally fast, setting more or less similar times as Verstappen.

Edit: only Verstappen has two sets left, btw. But so far it doesn't really look like a 2-stop race anyway, I think

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Last year I recall Ricciardo doing an excellent stint in the second half of the race on softs- could anyone look to do the same this year or are the compounds not favourable to that?

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organic wrote:
28 Oct 2023, 02:33
ringo wrote:
28 Oct 2023, 02:32
So Mclaren dont have any more low speed weakness?
Unless the hogh df package is compensating.
Same setup was used at cota and had issues there in low speed
It's higher DF on the basis the car can run closer to the ground, but the wings are the same. Are they running gurney flaps, how is the AoA and the beam wing in comparison to COTA?

Edit: BW the same for Mclaren.
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Mansell89 wrote:
28 Oct 2023, 11:50
Last year I recall Ricciardo doing an excellent stint in the second half of the race on softs- could anyone look to do the same this year or are the compounds not favourable to that?
the tires are one step softer than last year, so that would be H-M now - which is probably an option, yeah. The "new" softs look too soft for a 1-stop race stint, I'd think.

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organic wrote:
28 Oct 2023, 02:33
ringo wrote:
28 Oct 2023, 02:32
So Mclaren dont have any more low speed weakness?
Unless the hogh df package is compensating.
Same setup was used at cota and had issues there in low speed
McLarens low speed deficit comes from slow winding horseshoe like corners (present at Cota) here at Mexico the slow corners are more point and shoot

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haza wrote:
28 Oct 2023, 13:12
organic wrote:
28 Oct 2023, 02:33
ringo wrote:
28 Oct 2023, 02:32
So Mclaren dont have any more low speed weakness?
Unless the hogh df package is compensating.
Same setup was used at cota and had issues there in low speed
McLarens low speed deficit comes from slow winding horseshoe like corners (present at Cota) here at Mexico the slow corners are more point and shoot
The stadium section has a horseshoe shape

But it seems the McLaren is fine through the low speed on soft tyres now, it just becomes a problem at higher fuel when balance issues aren't hidden

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McLaren was on lower fuel clearly. Norris overtook Ricciardo and Hamilton easily in the middle of his stint. There's no way they were on the same fuel load.

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gotta like that confidence interval for Williams: somwhere between 2nd and last :D

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https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/arti ... BLPMZ.html

Can't say I have followed the f1.com analyses too closely recently, so no idea how accurate they are, but they bring up an interesting point of track evolution. Apparently the track improved by 0.050s per minute

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search wrote:
28 Oct 2023, 14:19
gotta like that confidence interval for Williams: somwhere between 2nd and last :D

https://i.imgur.com/9UwvFCm.png
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/arti ... BLPMZ.html

Can't say I have followed the f1.com analyses too closely recently, so no idea how accurate they are, but they bring up an interesting point of track evolution. Apparently the track improved by 0.050s per minute
I think F1.com use the yaw data to compensate for fuel load which isn't data available to us. Also is an attempt to remove engine mode bias. Not sure how good their predictions/correlations are this season though

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Isola believes it will be a tough race between one and two stops. "There is hardly any difference between medium-hard and medium-hard-medium. Tire wear on Sunday will decide which choice is better."