2023 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

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He should easily be able to maintain the gap… Ferrari essentially proved they could do close to half distance on the Medium so likely Mercedes can do it too… I think Ferrari should’ve put on a fresher set of Mediums to fire them up sooner, knowing they could’ve gotten to the end on them.

Oh well, 3rd and 4th a decent haul of points, but still could’ve been 2nd and 4th…

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Sainz much, much better on this stint thus far. Flying away from Russell.

Leclerc looking good as well but not really biting into Lewis's lead. Hamilton's tire management is as good as it gets. I'll never fully understand it.

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Yeah no chance of catching Hamilton now. Would already need half a second a lap. 3rd on the podium is better than I thought possible however. Could have gone with mediums but I feel Mercedes would have had us at the death

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Another masterclass by Leclerc in the first stint ruined by an external factor (red flag). We had no chance of winning due to how bad the hard tyre was for the SF 23 of course.

Then they went for the hard even with the second standing start and 36 laps to go. They did 31 laps with full tank. They didn't have any new mediums but it would have been miles better than the new hards.

Another huge mistake and lost a P2.

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Xyz22 wrote:
30 Oct 2023, 00:10
Another masterclass by Leclerc in the first stint ruined by an external factor (red flag). We had no chance of winning due to how bad the hard tyre was for the SF 23 of course.

Then they went for the hard even with the second standing start and 36 laps to go. They did 31 laps with full tank. They didn't have any new mediums but it would have been miles better than the new hards.

Another huge mistake and lost a P2.
I don't agree. They were on the correct tire especially for this car. Pace was lacking mostly due to cooling.

Overall, I think the race went better than expected coming into the weekend. I think Ferrari will be fairly happy with the result. Gained more points on Mercedes and both drivers moved up a spot in the WDC.
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The cooling issue in the 2nd stint was the issue. Pace was good and good result considering how things looked on Friday

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No it wasn't cooling. The hard tyres never worked.

They did massive cooling management in the first stint as well (each laps the engineers were saying to increase lift offs everywhere) but the pace was good, especially for Charles because he has been able to manage the front tyres perfectly (like Lewis did in the second stint which was the key as setups were made to protect the rears).

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They wouldn’t have kept 2nd even with mediums on the second start. You can say what you want about strategy, but there’s very little else they could have done once that red flag came and wiped the 3 sec advantage leclerc had over ham and both on hards.

Personally I’m happy with the result given how poor this car is in race trim!

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Vinlarr89 wrote:
30 Oct 2023, 00:25
They wouldn’t have kept 2nd even with mediums on the second start. You can say what you want about strategy, but there’s very little else they could have done once that red flag came and wiped the 3 sec advantage leclerc had over ham and both on hards.

Personally I’m happy with the result given how poor this car is in race trim!
How do you know? Leclerc kept 2 with the hards for a bit.

The car wasn't bad with the mediums. I think they were on par with MB more or less.

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Xyz22 wrote:
30 Oct 2023, 00:29
Vinlarr89 wrote:
30 Oct 2023, 00:25
They wouldn’t have kept 2nd even with mediums on the second start. You can say what you want about strategy, but there’s very little else they could have done once that red flag came and wiped the 3 sec advantage leclerc had over ham and both on hards.

Personally I’m happy with the result given how poor this car is in race trim!
How do you know? Leclerc kept 2 with the hards for a bit.

The car wasn't bad with the mediums. I think they were on par with MB more or less.
With the mediums they were very good

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Xyz22 wrote:
30 Oct 2023, 00:29
Vinlarr89 wrote:
30 Oct 2023, 00:25
They wouldn’t have kept 2nd even with mediums on the second start. You can say what you want about strategy, but there’s very little else they could have done once that red flag came and wiped the 3 sec advantage leclerc had over ham and both on hards.

Personally I’m happy with the result given how poor this car is in race trim!
How do you know? Leclerc kept 2 with the hards for a bit.

The car wasn't bad with the mediums. I think they were on par with MB more or less.
Pace was falling off towards the end of the medium stint. That was 31 laps on new mediums. I don’t know how used the used set of mediums were and I might be wrong but I think Leclerc would have been there for the taking the last 8-10 laps.

Either way, they believed that the mediums would fade and the hards would come into their own, and stuck with the strategy of the hards.

No red flag and they take P2 today IMO

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Vinlarr89 wrote:
30 Oct 2023, 00:40
Xyz22 wrote:
30 Oct 2023, 00:29
Vinlarr89 wrote:
30 Oct 2023, 00:25
They wouldn’t have kept 2nd even with mediums on the second start. You can say what you want about strategy, but there’s very little else they could have done once that red flag came and wiped the 3 sec advantage leclerc had over ham and both on hards.

Personally I’m happy with the result given how poor this car is in race trim!
How do you know? Leclerc kept 2 with the hards for a bit.

The car wasn't bad with the mediums. I think they were on par with MB more or less.
Pace was falling off towards the end of the medium stint. That was 31 laps on new mediums. I don’t know how used the used set of mediums were and I might be wrong but I think Leclerc would have been there for the taking the last 8-10 laps.

Either way, they believed that the mediums would fade and the hards would come into their own, and stuck with the strategy of the hards.

No red flag and they take P2 today IMO
For sure.

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Xyz22 wrote:
30 Oct 2023, 00:19
No it wasn't cooling. The hard tyres never worked.
Based on what?

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JPower wrote:
30 Oct 2023, 00:45
Xyz22 wrote:
30 Oct 2023, 00:19
No it wasn't cooling. The hard tyres never worked.
Based on what?
Looking at the laptimes, Leclerc was closer to verstappen on mediums, than he was on hards. The car was suffering on the hards. Cooling does not account for it. He was in clean air after Hamilton got away.

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Charles said on post race that they're always slower - in relative terms - with the harder tyre this year because the car is "peaky"