2023 Oracle Red Bull Racing F1 Team

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Alonsismo wrote:
30 Oct 2023, 16:42
mjthompson is a fake account

is a famous troll in twitter
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He isn't a troll. He doesn't want anybody to know who he is.
He has often inside info about AM.


Flavio and Max his dad, Jos.


(AM Lagonda and the F1 team are two completely independent entities)



It seems the Tweets can't be found. This was in the Tweets:

Aston Martin F1 updates
@startonpole

Oct 30. 2023
Shares worth £255 million were traded today at Aston Martin Lagonda

Aston Martin F1 updates
@startonpole

The market cap is 1.71 billion GBP. So the traded shares equals 15% of the company then.

Apparently Lawrence Stroll together with investors bought 16.7% in 2020, so this sale is almost equally big

Source: https://www.londonstockexchange.com/sto ... mpany-page
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Venturiation wrote:
30 Oct 2023, 14:33
Alonso is going to redbull in 2024
Very unlikely.

This is another Tweet by the guy. "Judge for yourself" is usually red flag indicating that someone is failing to take their meds (to put it bluntly).

"Freelance sports journalist" - with the emphasis on Freelance



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Albert suggests something big might be going on. Obviously don't know if it's the same rumour but he is a reputable source.

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Shares are priced in pence, not pounds, so it's £2.5 million. Much less dramatic trade!

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Wouter wrote:
30 Oct 2023, 17:05
Alonsismo wrote:
30 Oct 2023, 16:42
mjthompson is a fake account

is a famous troll in twitter
.
He isn't a troll. He doesn't want anybody to know who he is.
He has often inside info about AM.


Flavio and Max his dad, Jos.


(AM Lagonda and the F1 team are two completely independent entities)



It seems the Tweets can't be found. This was in the Tweets:

Aston Martin F1 updates
@startonpole

Oct 30. 2023
Shares worth £255 million were traded today at Aston Martin Lagonda

Aston Martin F1 updates
@startonpole

The market cap is 1.71 billion GBP. So the traded shares equals 15% of the company then.

Apparently Lawrence Stroll together with investors bought 16.7% in 2020, so this sale is almost equally big

Source: https://www.londonstockexchange.com/sto ... mpany-page
he is a troll from f1Twitter spain.
his account was previously a teenager account with a lot of stupid things about football and stuff like that.
and i am speaking about MjThompson, not @Startonpole

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thestig84 wrote:
30 Oct 2023, 17:48


Albert suggests something big might be going on. Obviously don't know if it's the same rumour but he is a reputable source.
Which he clarified as a rumour that if it were true would make him unhappy. You think Alonso to RB would make a Spanish F1 pundit unhappy? Don't be silly. More likely the rumour is retirement or something completely unrelated.

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I must be psychic, I was thinking about this when I was looking at Alonso in no mans land (again) in a turd of a car, and thought what a waste, and we have Perez destroying the best car in the grid race in race out...

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Rikhart wrote:
30 Oct 2023, 18:35
I must be psychic, I was thinking about this when I was looking at Alonso in no mans land (again) in a turd of a car, and thought what a waste, and we have Perez destroying the best car in the grid race in race out...
He's not going to RB, he's going to a retirement home.

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Cs98 wrote:
30 Oct 2023, 18:30
thestig84 wrote:
30 Oct 2023, 17:48


Albert suggests something big might be going on. Obviously don't know if it's the same rumour but he is a reputable source.
Which he clarified as a rumour that if it were true would make him unhappy. You think Alonso to RB would make a Spanish F1 pundit unhappy? Don't be silly. More likely the rumour is retirement or something completely unrelated.
Don't be silly?! Excuse me, I believe I said I don't know if it's the same rumour. Didn't say anything about it being Alonso to RB. Just something big is rumoured. Thanks

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organic wrote:
30 Oct 2023, 04:05
The fastest starts were by drivers from both RB and AT at Mexico. Given how mediocre the starts are usually, I have to assume this is something to do with the altitude, most likely affecting the gearbox in some way.

https://preview.redd.it/zwm165y198xb1.p ... b0866f82f7
I have a theory about starts, maybe someone with actual technical knowledge can confirm or denounce. I think there is a trade off between the last percentages of power out of the engine versus low revs, torque stalling ease of pick up.

I am not sure if there is such a connection but I have the idea that when teams search for the absolute limits of power the engine can deliver, you could suffer from very finicky/hard starts.

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At least photoshop Alonso's head on a current RB race suite....

Also a pushrod on that car, so that is pre 2022.

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Would love to see Fernando in this car, I really would. I can’t help but think however that Ricciardos energy this weekend was of someone who might have been given the green light to return alongside Max. I haven’t seen him like that for a long time!

Be delighted with either tbh

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Some classy comments from Daniel after the weekend.

https://apple.news/AWZdEQ4EnTZK0j7RMdIJyxA
“This is the world of sport and competition,” Ricciardo said. “That’s what we signed up for. You can’t let everything that happens get to you.

“Apart from that, we’re all human, we all have emotions and feelings. You’d never want anyone to find themselves in [Perez’s] situation, surrounded by negativity.”
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Sounds like there was a specific issue with the starts of the rb19 in the first portion of the season.
Horner acknowledged the RB19’s standing starts have been among its few weaknesses. “Starts haven’t been probably our strongest asset this year
Verstappen: "At the beginning of the year, we had a bit of an issue but then we fixed the issue but then I think we still didn’t do the right thing with tyre temperature, clutch settings. It’s all very sensitive."
In other news
Points since the summer break:

Max Verstappen - 177
Lando Norris - 100
Carlos Sainz - 91
Lewis Hamilton- 72
Charles Leclerc - 67
Oscar Piastri - 53
George Russell - 52
Sergio Perez - 51
Joe Saward on his green notebook, as variable as his reliability is, has said that RB can move Checo on with no financial penalty if he has less than 50% of Max's points at the end of 2023 which currently is true.

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organic wrote:
01 Nov 2023, 09:16
Joe Saward on his green notebook, as variable as his reliability is, has said that RB can move Checo on with no financial penalty if he has less than 50% of Max's points at the end of 2023 which currently is true.
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I hope you don't mind me quoting more from Joe Saward. he was also talking about the rumours of Albert Frabega and Alonso.
Posted on October 31, 2023 by Joe Saward
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I thought of this when I heard that a well known Spanish F1 journalist declared himself excited by a rumour he had heard on Sunday night, but was unwilling to say more. It did not take long to hear from Spain that Alonso may be about to embark on some more fancy footwork, with the suggestion being that he is not going to stay at Aston Martin in 2024, although he is supposed to have “a multi-year contract”. The word is that he could pop up next year at Red Bull.

This would strengthen the champion team and at the same time blow a torpedo-sized hole in the Aston Martin challenge. So that would be a double whammy. The green team has gone off the boil big time this season, after an exciting start, and it is hard to imagine that Lance Stroll is going to step up and lead the team to glory. The best driver with experience would be… Sergio Perez.

Who knows if this is all contractually possible, but multi-year contracts traditionally have options and when Fernando signed for Aston Martin, they needed him more than he needed them… so he probably got the terms he wanted. I am pretty sure he would have wanted an exit strategy in case the team was not up to much.

It would be a move that makes sense for Red Bull because Perez has not done what he needed to do and although Daniel Ricciardo’s revival has looked quite good, hiring Fernando would probably be better. Red Bull would need to handle the drivers carefully, as Alonso can be prickly but at 42 he is not going to stick around forever… so he would fit the bill nicely until Red Bull has secured someone younger. Paying off Perez, who is reckoned to earn about $8 million a year, might not even be necessary. Driver contracts these days tend to have performance clauses based on percentages of a team-mate’s score. After the Mexico City GP, Perez’s 240 points were equivalent to 48.8 percent of Max Verstappen’s total of 491. If Perez is required to score at least 50 percent of the points of his team-mate, this could be grounds for the contract to be cancelled, without the need for compensation.

This is speculation, but it is based on the logic employed in the contracts.

Perez’s popularity counts in his favour, of course, but the decision by Red Bull to put Daniel Ricciardo into the AlphaTauri team was seen by many as a way to see whether Daniel would be a good replacement for Perez. The fact that Daniel out-qualified Sergio in Mexico was significant, as it is clear that the AlphaTauri is not as good a car as the Red Bull. Perez then crashed at the first corner trying to pull off a rather desperate move, while Daniel was able to finish seventh and help AlphaTauri move up from 10th to eighth in the Constructors’ Championship.

Would Red Bull refuse a proposal from Alonso? Such a move would blow up the driver market to some extent and most people would be happy to see Fernando taking the fight to Verstappen next year if the team is still as dominant as it is today.

If you look at the numbers it adds up. At the moment the 10 teams split $1.157 billion of prize money between them. The difference between the Constructors’ Champion and the second-placed team is in the region of $10 million, although there may be additional success payments that we do not know about, such as consecutive title bonuses. In other words, getting rid of Perez would cost less that finishing second in the Constructors’ title in 2024 because he could not deliver enough points. That is a good incentive.
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