2023 São Paulo Grand Prix - Interlagos, Nov 03 - 05

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This is honestly not a problem if they just send cars out with a bit more margin for time. There's just no reason to send everyone out with 3 minutes to go in Q1/2, you can just as easily do it with 4 or 5 minutes left. And that's what they're going to do now.

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Cs98 wrote:
03 Nov 2023, 11:32
This is honestly not a problem if they just send cars out with a bit more margin for time. There's just no reason to send everyone out with 3 minutes to go in Q1/2, you can just as easily do it with 4 or 5 minutes left. And that's what they're going to do now.
Track evolution.

That’s why everyone waits until the last possible chance for a lap
Mess with the Bull - you get the horns.

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chrisc90 wrote:
03 Nov 2023, 12:14
Cs98 wrote:
03 Nov 2023, 11:32
This is honestly not a problem if they just send cars out with a bit more margin for time. There's just no reason to send everyone out with 3 minutes to go in Q1/2, you can just as easily do it with 4 or 5 minutes left. And that's what they're going to do now.
Track evolution.

That’s why everyone waits until the last possible chance for a lap
Track evolution is predicated on the number of laps done on track. It doesn't matter if they go out at 4 minutes or 3 minutes, the last guy will have the same amount of grip. The only reason to wait for long is if you want to ensure you are the last one, or at least not the first one. But there's always someone who elects to go first and to get a clean warm-up lap, if that driver goes at 4 minutes instead of 3 we are never going to have this problem. My guess is with this new rule the best position to be will be at the front of the queue, not the back where you have theoretically the most track evolution.

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Cs98 wrote:
03 Nov 2023, 12:39
chrisc90 wrote:
03 Nov 2023, 12:14
Cs98 wrote:
03 Nov 2023, 11:32
This is honestly not a problem if they just send cars out with a bit more margin for time. There's just no reason to send everyone out with 3 minutes to go in Q1/2, you can just as easily do it with 4 or 5 minutes left. And that's what they're going to do now.
Track evolution.

That’s why everyone waits until the last possible chance for a lap
Track evolution is predicated on the number of laps done on track. It doesn't matter if they go out at 4 minutes or 3 minutes, the last guy will have the same amount of grip. The only reason to wait for long is if you want to ensure you are the last one, or at least not the first one. But there's always someone who elects to go first and to get a clean warm-up lap, if that driver goes at 4 minutes instead of 3 we are never going to have this problem. My guess is with this new rule the best position to be will be at the front of the queue, not the back where you have theoretically the most track evolution.
Other than track getting rubbered, which is one part of the evolution, the track temperature also matters. As it starts to dawn, usually track starts cooling down. So every minute matters and hence its ideal to go for the lap as late as possible, but also with sufficient gap in front to avoid wake.

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mendis wrote:
03 Nov 2023, 13:20
Cs98 wrote:
03 Nov 2023, 12:39
chrisc90 wrote:
03 Nov 2023, 12:14


Track evolution.

That’s why everyone waits until the last possible chance for a lap
Track evolution is predicated on the number of laps done on track. It doesn't matter if they go out at 4 minutes or 3 minutes, the last guy will have the same amount of grip. The only reason to wait for long is if you want to ensure you are the last one, or at least not the first one. But there's always someone who elects to go first and to get a clean warm-up lap, if that driver goes at 4 minutes instead of 3 we are never going to have this problem. My guess is with this new rule the best position to be will be at the front of the queue, not the back where you have theoretically the most track evolution.
Other than track getting rubbered, which is one part of the evolution, the track temperature also matters. As it starts to dawn, usually track starts cooling down. So every minute matters and hence its ideal to go for the lap as late as possible, but also with sufficient gap in front to avoid wake.
One minute here and there has negligible impact on track temps.

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Everyone could do their laps at the start, it just moves the problem in a different direction
Mess with the Bull - you get the horns.

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are there any news about the potential engine change for Ferrari? Their lower downforce setup could be an indication for it, at least.

If plank wear really turns out to be an issue, it could make even more sense, as they probably could run lower throughout the weekend and just do a pit lane start for the race in between.

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Perez pace is promising. Let's see what he does from here. If he had not made a mess of the start in Mexico, he'd be having a good run of form again.
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They have just told Alonso that he might have punctured his tire on the kerb of T2...

Does Pirelli replace a punctured tire without consequence to the tire allocation?
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AR3-GP wrote:
03 Nov 2023, 16:59
They have just told Alonso that he might have punctured his tire on the kerb of T2...

Does Pirelli replace a punctured tire without consequence to the tire allocation?
tires damaged by the teams normally don't get replaced at all

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Verstappen starts a hot lap, nothing out of the ordinary in the 1st two turns, then gets on the radio and says he needs something stiffer. Immediately aborts lap.

Seat troubles or car setup?
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search wrote:
03 Nov 2023, 17:03
AR3-GP wrote:
03 Nov 2023, 16:59
They have just told Alonso that he might have punctured his tire on the kerb of T2...

Does Pirelli replace a punctured tire without consequence to the tire allocation?
tires damaged by the teams normally don't get replaced at all
I can understand that in the case of a lockup, but that does not seem very fair in the case of a puncture.
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AR3-GP wrote:
03 Nov 2023, 17:04
Verstappen starts a hot lap, nothing out of the ordinary in the 1st two turns, then gets on the radio and says he needs something stiffer. Immediately aborts lap.

Seat troubles or car setup?
Fabrega says he is adjusting the seat and front suspension

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AR3-GP wrote:
03 Nov 2023, 16:59
They have just told Alonso that he might have punctured his tire on the kerb of T2...

Does Pirelli replace a punctured tire without consequence to the tire allocation?
Nope, the tyres come as a set from what I remember (could be wrong). If you
get a puncture that set is finished. There is no point giving a driver a new tyre
to go with an old set as the wear rate will be even and would probably unbalance
the car.

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organic wrote:
03 Nov 2023, 17:07
AR3-GP wrote:
03 Nov 2023, 17:04
Verstappen starts a hot lap, nothing out of the ordinary in the 1st two turns, then gets on the radio and says he needs something stiffer. Immediately aborts lap.

Seat troubles or car setup?
Fabrega says he is adjusting the seat and front suspension
The seat was loose earlier in the session, I expect they are fixing that and
making changes to the front suspension at the same time.