Hungarian GP 2009 - Hungaroring

[ISLAMATRON]

Both of the Brawn cars ran very heavy during Q3. It appears to me they will be last to do that first pit stop, I wonder what strategy they have chosen?

They said JB was heavy because he didnt get to run as many laps as expected because of the spring failure on RB's car, and being held in the pits for inspection.

RB didnt make Q3, he is 13th, so he got to choose his fuel load.

[ringo]

Massa will miss sunday's race.

I am guessing Lewis and Heiki will do a jump at the start, and judging where the grid is,it wont be as risky as in Germany last race. They have a nice long stretch to stay clear of Webber and his first lap antics.
This will be the best race of the season now that we have the right guys in front, it really looks as if Button's 15 minutes are up!

Massa baby's crash:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Zhdm6yk ... r_embedded

It's what seems to be a medium sized spring, a little bigger than a valve spring. Where on the car uses this spring i don't know, but it whacked him good.
Notice that his two feet were resting on the pedals after he loss consciousness.

[jon-mullen]

So we think Alonso's in on lap 11 or 12? Ugh. Hope there's some good field stretch.

Buemi's looking to be in a good position to pick up some points.

Nope, Alonso got the 2XWDC 6 tenths bump and will be in at lap 53. Didnt you say he dug deep and put in an inspired Q3 lap?

Ah yes I forgot about the bump!

Seriously, tho, I don't know that this math is really valid, but it seems like now that we have post-quali weights you actually can quantify how hard they were pushing for Q3 (or dilly-dallying for Q2), right? If we take your Q2 time, Q3 time, and post-quali weight like so:

(Q3-Q2)/(postQ - 610)

then whoever pushed the hardest would have the smallest time difference relative to his fuel load. Right? i.e. the race fuel weight made the least time difference to him.



So it appears Vettel, Rosberg, and Alonso were pushing the hardest, Kimi not so much. I think it works...for instance on the same fuel, Webber's difference was 1.4 sec, Kimi's 1.8 sec, Webber has the lower...uh, slope or differential or whatever you'd call it.

[PlatinumZealot]

So you are comparing the time gain per kg of fuel added for each driver.
Assuming that cars weigh 610kg in Q2.
Makes sense.

But suppose each car's beviour and lap time is affected differently by adding more fuel? e.g The redbulls might be easier to handle than say the Ferrari with more fuel on board, or the Brawn's performance drop off is not as bad as the williams etc.. you know, stuff like that.

[jon-mullen]

Yeah, how the car handles on different weights or even how comfortable the driver is at different weights. Not scientific by any means, but look at that difference between Rosberg and Nakajima, you've got to believe Rosberg's the better qualifier.

[xpensive]

As I said before, I belive Hungaroring is the track which the least benefits arerodynamic efficiency. With Alonso (Saab bound for 2011 by the way), proves my way of thinkin, no? Or is he just running on fumes, pitting on the second lap?

Only could they take that horrid nosejob OFF!

My new Malmö mistress agrees though she is asleep due to the shock-treatment received last night.

[mx_tifoso]

Thats a bit personal X, but to each his own.

And I have a hard time telling your sarcasm apart from your serious statements, so I don't know how to respond to the 'running on fumes' remark.

[xpensive]

Typically Mx, you make jokes about my mistresses, which I don't mind in any way, but if it bothered you I apologize.

Seriously now, reading the weight list from Hungaroring, it strikes me that Alonso seems very light, no?

[mx_tifoso]

I don't mind at all, I actually find it quite amusing. Feel free to continue...

And yes, Mr. Eyebrows is super light at 637.5 kg's.

On the subject of weights, Kubica is 666 kg's. I would have done anything possible to avoid that number...

[xpensive]

I agree Mx, that number must be a coincidence, but heck, what if the man walks away with the race, then what?

But 30 kg differense to Fernando, what is that, ten laps?

Wonder what strategy runs thru Briatore's mind when he makes this decisions? Everybody knows that overtaking in Hungary is next to impossible, but anyway?

My new mistress is making breakfast now, not bad at all, she's coming good.

[myurr]

I agree Mx, that number must be a coincidence, but heck, what if the man walks away with the race, then what?

But 30 kg differense to Fernando, what is that, ten laps?

Wonder what strategy runs thru Briatore's mind when he makes this decisions? Everybody knows that overtaking in Hungary is next to impossible, but anyway?

My new mistress is making breakfast now, not bad at all, she's coming good.

If Alonso does end up holding those behind him up then it could play into Hamilton's hands. With the Red Bulls being held up and struggling with the dirty air from the car in front, KERS could help him make his way through the field. Presuming that the start is only so-so because of the dirty side of the track.

[mx_tifoso]

If Kubica walks away with the race, then we know 'who' is on his side... ...

Yup, roughly ten laps at 2.8 kg's of fuel per lap. At this point I can't really guess what Renault expects from the race. I got up at 6am and now it's 1am the next day, my mind and body are not at their best, especially after a 12hr work day...

Myurr, are you only talking about the start? If so, then I wouldn't expect Alonso to hold anybody up, but he'll be f*cked as the race progresses.

Anyhow, I'm hoping updates concerning Massa's well being are posted soon. And as to who is replacing him as well, my guess is Badoer though.

[jonathan189]

Alonso's fuel load is too low to win. He will get jumped by the Red Bulls at the first pitstop.

Can't wait to see the McLarens and Raikkonen fly off the line with KERS -- I'm guessing that they are the only cars that can spoil another comfortable afternoon for the Red Bulls.

So it appears Vettel, Rosberg, and Alonso were pushing the hardest, Kimi not so much. I think it works...for instance on the same fuel, Webber's difference was 1.4 sec, Kimi's 1.8 sec, Webber has the lower...uh, slope or differential or whatever you'd call it.

Good stats. I think you correctly infer that something went wrong for Kimi in Q3... we saw him run wide on one lap, and his next lap wasn't much faster.

[xpensive]

Anyone with an idea when Alonso is likely to come in, and how many laps to go for the RBRs?

WB, you are typically up to date on such things, any ideas?

[Harrelson]

Anyone with an idea when Alonso is likely to come in, and how many laps to go for the RBRs?

WB, you are typically up to date on such things, any ideas?

First stints

Alonso - lap 13

Vettel -lap 22

Webber -lap 20

Hamilton -lap 19