Yes maybe.
Grip doesn’t look to bad in the wet.
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Three-time world champion Max Verstappen secured his 18th victory of 2023 in Las Vegas, beating Ferrari driver Charles Leclerc, whose chances were massively compromised by a safety car period. F1Technical's senior writer Balázs Szabó reports on the Nevada F1 race.
From a quick look on my phone at work, the safety car had a bit of sliding mid corner.
Those aren't the sensitive pirellis. Not to mention the current cars are some of the most sensitive in a long time.Hoffman900 wrote: ↑16 Nov 2023, 20:28Temperatures aren’t going to be far off what they have driven / raced at Spa in, with rain.
I think we’re so use to wanting everything to be perfect that we forget there was a tike when they raced / drove around in conditions like this with barely a shrug.
They’re probably worst. They just didn’t know what good was, relative to today.organic wrote: ↑16 Nov 2023, 20:35Those aren't the sensitive pirellisHoffman900 wrote: ↑16 Nov 2023, 20:28Temperatures aren’t going to be far off what they have driven / raced at Spa in, with rain.
I think we’re so use to wanting everything to be perfect that we forget there was a tike when they raced / drove around in conditions like this with barely a shrug.
Not racing in those conditions is a new phenomenon. Partly because the tires ARE better at moving water. Displaced water becomes airborne water.
I think the problem is more aero related. The water is lifted off the ground by the tyres and the modern F1 tyres evacuate a lot of water, but the issue that creates the spray is that the aero of the cars distributes the spray high and wide behindHoffman900 wrote: ↑16 Nov 2023, 20:39Not racing in those conditions is a new phenomenon. Partly because the tires ARE better at moving water. Displaced water becomes airborne water.
I was at a AMA / FIM Superbike race this fall where they raced in a Tropical Storm. The whole spray thing is mostly a F1 and F2 problem.
Bikes don’t displace as much water.organic wrote: ↑16 Nov 2023, 20:42I think the problem is more aero relatedHoffman900 wrote: ↑16 Nov 2023, 20:39Not racing in those conditions is a new phenomenon. Partly because the tires ARE better at moving water. Displaced water becomes airborne water.
I was at a AMA / FIM Superbike race this fall where they raced in a Tropical Storm. The whole spray thing is mostly a F1 and F2 problem.
And to be complete: Max said this (show-)race was not his cup of coffee…but if was in the shoes of the FOM he would probably have done exactly how FOM organized it…cplchanb wrote: ↑16 Nov 2023, 17:52F1 doesnt pay for max. RB does and theres already plenty of RB promos to more than double up on his salary. when you only display the drivers for the last 2min of the show you can clearly see how wrongly aligned FOM is.
.How F1 drivers seek to gain from "brutal" Las Vegas GP jet lag
The schedule for the Las Vegas GP has given everyone who works in Formula 1 a brutal test in terms of changing time zones and the resultant jet lag.
And things are only set to get worse as the entire circus transits to Abu Dhabi next weekend, going through a 12-hour shift forward in time.
While the whole paddock is in the same boat, the focus is inevitably on the drivers. They may enjoy private jet or business class travel and have physios looking after their every need, but it's still a struggle to be 100% rested and prepared.