2023 Oracle Red Bull Racing F1 Team

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Cassius wrote:
17 Nov 2023, 14:42
It feels similar to Monza indeed with Ferrari faster on 1 lap race pace, but RB choosing a setup that protects tyres better. Question is if Max can qualify directly behinf Leclerc or whether Alonso, the Mercs, maybe even Albon will be ahead. That determines how easy it would be for him to get another win.

Max seemed to struggle on the softs. During the soft qualy laps he had difficulty in beating his own time in any of the minisectors in s3. Maybe he was on a lower engine mode after the medium running. He lost 0.3s to Perez I think in s3 and 0.5 to Alonso on his fastest.
Max's fastest lap Vs Charles'

hard to say about PU modes, but just to look at... The difference between Max and Perez is quite large and timeloss from beginning to end of straight fairly constant gradient on delta

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17 Nov 2023, 14:43
Cassius wrote:
17 Nov 2023, 14:42
It feels similar to Monza indeed with Ferrari faster on 1 lap race pace, but RB choosing a setup that protects tyres better. Question is if Max can qualify directly behinf Leclerc or whether Alonso, the Mercs, maybe even Albon will be ahead. That determines how easy it would be for him to get another win.

Max seemed to struggle on the softs. During the soft qualy laps he had difficulty in beating his own time in any of the minisectors in s3. Maybe he was on a lower engine mode after the medium running. He lost 0.3s to Perez I think in s3 and 0.5 to Alonso on his fastest.
Max's fastest lap Vs Charles'

hard to say about PU modes, but just to look at... The difference between Max and Perez is quite large

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F_Iu-tYXkAA ... &name=orig

https://i.imgur.com/u8axiFm.png
Thanks. Perez doesn't seem slower in the low speed, but gains on the straights. Can be setup or mode. If it is setup then Max might go for this lower DF as well (remove gurney?) just like in Monza after day 1. Provided tyre deg looked good on Perez, and that is difficult to tell given he was relatively slow.

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17 Nov 2023, 14:51
organic wrote:
17 Nov 2023, 14:43
Cassius wrote:
17 Nov 2023, 14:42
It feels similar to Monza indeed with Ferrari faster on 1 lap race pace, but RB choosing a setup that protects tyres better. Question is if Max can qualify directly behinf Leclerc or whether Alonso, the Mercs, maybe even Albon will be ahead. That determines how easy it would be for him to get another win.

Max seemed to struggle on the softs. During the soft qualy laps he had difficulty in beating his own time in any of the minisectors in s3. Maybe he was on a lower engine mode after the medium running. He lost 0.3s to Perez I think in s3 and 0.5 to Alonso on his fastest.
Max's fastest lap Vs Charles'

hard to say about PU modes, but just to look at... The difference between Max and Perez is quite large

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F_Iu-tYXkAA ... &name=orig

https://i.imgur.com/u8axiFm.png
Thanks. Perez doesn't seem slower in the low speed, but gains on the straights. Can be setup or mode. If it is setup then Max might go for this lower DF as well (remove gurney?) just like in Monza after day 1. Provided tyre deg looked good on Perez, and that is difficult to tell given he was relatively slow.
Perez seemed to experience graining unlike Max and the Ferraris. That said, Perez did his long run on used tyres whereas Ferrari started on news

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Ferrari looks very strong, very solid, as we expected. Without a doubt, they are the team to beat this weekend.”

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17 Nov 2023, 14:53
Ferrari looks very strong, very solid, as we expected. Without a doubt, they are the team to beat this weekend.”
lol @ whoever said this quote. RB are not struggling in the ways that I thought they would so I think they are the team to beat, and quite comfortably. These long runs were deceiving just like Jeddah months ago.
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17 Nov 2023, 16:20
organic wrote:
17 Nov 2023, 14:53
Ferrari looks very strong, very solid, as we expected. Without a doubt, they are the team to beat this weekend.”
lol @ whoever said this quote. RB are not struggling in the ways that I thought they would so I think they are the team to beat, and quite comfortably. These long runs were deceiving just like Jeddah months ago.
Sorry that quote was a direct quote from Perez after FP2!

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I'm confused on why Perez thinks so. Verstappen hardly complained about anything. Car looked good and there we no problem corners. His long run was rapid. Half a second quicker than Leclerc while Ver started his long run with 11-12 lap old mediums when the Ferraris had new mediums for their own.

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I'd be intrigued if it was anything other than a Ver romp.
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17 Nov 2023, 19:21
His long run was rapid. Half a second quicker than Leclerc while Ver started his long run with 11-12 lap old mediums when the Ferraris had new mediums for their own.
Perez was mainly speaking for himself, I guess, if it's a quote from right after practice. And compared to him, the Ferraris were rapid indeed.

For a proper comparison, I'd think he should have either deleted all 1st laps or keep them all in, by the way. Almost everyone was struggling to get the medium/hard tires going from a start, so it doesn't really make sense to only include the bad lap times for some.

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Curfew broken last night, wonder why

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Max has a trimmed drs flap with gurney installed on chassis for quali


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18 Nov 2023, 09:49
Max has a trimmed drs flap with gurney installed on chassis for quali

Did they make this change just before qualifying? He doesn't have that wing near the end of FP3 :wtf:


Old setup was so good. Why are they chasing Ferrari?
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18 Nov 2023, 09:56
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18 Nov 2023, 09:49
Max has a trimmed drs flap with gurney installed on chassis for quali

https://twitter.com/GiulyDuchessa/statu ... MaTGg&s=19
Did they make this change just before qualifying? He doesn't have that wing near the end of FP3 :wtf:


Old setup was so good. Why are they chasing Ferrari?
Yes not tested this weekend :mrgreen: I guess they need a trimmed flap to be confident of overtaking Ferrari in the race. Ferrari's Monza wing is very efficient with DRS closed compared to RB's low DF wing.

I think they reacted to Ferrari lowering their downforce level to be honest. Maybe also the circuit gripping up

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It's mediocre now. lol
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18 Nov 2023, 10:41
It's mediocre now. lol
Errr what was the strategy in Q2 there...

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18 Nov 2023, 10:45
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18 Nov 2023, 10:41
It's mediocre now. lol
Errr what was the strategy in Q2 there...
Ver doesn't have tires. He only had 3 new softs for the entire session. I don't know why...

I don't know what they were doing with Perez either. I don't think he had enough new sets.

Either way, they have no advantage anywhere with this wing :lol:
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18 Nov 2023, 10:48
organic wrote:
18 Nov 2023, 10:45
AR3-GP wrote:
18 Nov 2023, 10:41
It's mediocre now. lol
Errr what was the strategy in Q2 there...
Ver doesn't have tires. He only had 3 new softs for the entire session. I don't know why...

I don't know what they were doing with Perez either. I don't think he had enough new sets.

Either way, they have no advantage anywhere with this wing :lol:
It was like that at Monza as well. The wing means they're not really better than others anywhere but it might be the best compromise overall