The stewards are strange, even if no penalty points given, they both should have been summoned and told to pack it in. This is a final warning, no more.
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Three-time world champion Max Verstappen secured his 18th victory of 2023 in Las Vegas, beating Ferrari driver Charles Leclerc, whose chances were massively compromised by a safety car period. F1Technical's senior writer Balázs Szabó reports on the Nevada F1 race.
The stewards are strange, even if no penalty points given, they both should have been summoned and told to pack it in. This is a final warning, no more.
nothing on google he was banned, only DSQ from the race itself. But the dude that he retaliated against crashed into him on purpose in the first place, so theres that.dialtone wrote: ↑18 Nov 2023, 16:50Max was banned from iracing for retaliation. Any sport has automatic ejection for retaliation.AR3-GP wrote:Ocon impeded Verstappen by overtaking him to start the lap for which Verstappen would have no choice but to abort.GrizzleBoy wrote: ↑18 Nov 2023, 11:29You can't argue whether Max needed to block Ocon or not. He was just being a dick. Nobody is even denying it. They're just finding excuses for why it's apparently okay.
I'm sure the FIA are 100% aware of Maxs blocking attempts on people, but they just don't care. Apparently purposely impeding in quali is okay, because reasons.
What Verstappen did from there doesn't really matter because Ocon's decision was the unfair one. If Verstappen's own lap was ruined, then Ocon's lap also being ruined only makes them equal. Why do you not see this? It doesn't matter if you are P1 or P15 and "need to get in". All laps are the same. No one has priority otherwise the FIA would tell those who were already in Q2 to stay in the pitlane.
I didn't have a problem with it. I'm not making excuses at all. Ocon shouldn't be able to ruin another driver's lap and get away with it. That some can't see this is for other reasons.
Had Ocon done this to Hamilton, there would be a different discussion about the matter...
I just read the article again, and noticed that this is a quote from Gasly, not Russell. My mistake.search wrote: ↑18 Nov 2023, 14:48The AmuS qualifying article (in German) quotes Russell as saying "The car felt good right from the start. We took some risks with the setup, and it paid off. Tomorrow I'd like to get on the podium. But points would be a surprise already."
Any idea if that is what he really said, or did something get lost in translation there?
My bad on the ban, but still. iRacing has better policing of sportsmanship than fia and it’s ridiculous. I don’t hate max, his comments on sainz were on point but the retaliatory behavior is reoccurring and fia is enabling it. They clearly know how to not apply rules when it’s convenient for them.Juzh wrote:nothing on google he was banned, only DSQ from the race itself. But the dude that he retaliated against crashed into him on purpose in the first place, so theres that.dialtone wrote: ↑18 Nov 2023, 16:50Max was banned from iracing for retaliation. Any sport has automatic ejection for retaliation.AR3-GP wrote:
Ocon impeded Verstappen by overtaking him to start the lap for which Verstappen would have no choice but to abort.
What Verstappen did from there doesn't really matter because Ocon's decision was the unfair one. If Verstappen's own lap was ruined, then Ocon's lap also being ruined only makes them equal. Why do you not see this? It doesn't matter if you are P1 or P15 and "need to get in". All laps are the same. No one has priority otherwise the FIA would tell those who were already in Q2 to stay in the pitlane.
I didn't have a problem with it. I'm not making excuses at all. Ocon shouldn't be able to ruin another driver's lap and get away with it. That some can't see this is for other reasons.
Had Ocon done this to Hamilton, there would be a different discussion about the matter...
There is no rule about cars on hot laps not being allowed to overtake other cars on hot laps. If a driver does not wish to be overtaken on a hot lap, they should drive faster to create a bigger gap to the drivers behind.dialtone wrote: ↑18 Nov 2023, 17:59My bad on the ban, but still. iRacing has better policing of sportsmanship than fia and it’s ridiculous. I don’t hate max, his comments on sainz were on point but the retaliatory behavior is reoccurring and fia is enabling it. They clearly know how to not apply rules when it’s convenient for them.
Yes that’s about it. The stewards need the tools to deal with this sort of behavior.dialtone wrote: ↑18 Nov 2023, 17:59I don’t hate max, his comments on sainz were on point but the retaliatory behavior is reoccurring and fia is enabling it. They clearly know how to not apply rules when it’s convenient for them.Juzh wrote:nothing on google he was banned, only DSQ from the race itself. But the dude that he retaliated against crashed into him on purpose in the first place, so theres that.
Totally agree. Things are as they are.
There is nothing wrong in retaliation. The one that is inciting and causing problems should be dealt with seriously. You don't want to have problem kids on the circuit. Ocon has been a petulant, nasty kid who has been doing it to Alonso for quite sometime. Just that Max isn't as forgiving as Alonso is.dialtone wrote: ↑18 Nov 2023, 17:59My bad on the ban, but still. iRacing has better policing of sportsmanship than fia and it’s ridiculous. I don’t hate max, his comments on sainz were on point but the retaliatory behavior is reoccurring and fia is enabling it. They clearly know how to not apply rules when it’s convenient for them.Juzh wrote:nothing on google he was banned, only DSQ from the race itself. But the dude that he retaliated against crashed into him on purpose in the first place, so theres that.
Wow, absolute wow
That would be Max.
maybe, yeah, but it's not like Verstappen needed to do another lap and his tires were old anyway. So you could also argue that a world champion should just stay away from this nonsense, I guess.