dialtone wrote: ↑19 Nov 2023, 06:28First of all there are plenty of rules about this, Sporting Regulation 33.4:I don't think we need a trial to say that a driver attempting to get justice for themselves against another driver is acting dangerously.At no time may a car be driven unnecessarily slowly, erratically or in a manner which could be
deemed potentially dangerous to other drivers or any other person.
Not if he does it by doing a legal move. For someone arguing "RBR fans" are biased, you yourself are stretching the rulebook rather excessively right now, trying to penalize what is a completely legal overtake.
Overtakes like that are how the sport has been done since pretty much the beginning. It's par for the course. In fact, the overtake itself was great. It wasn't late, and he was well past Ocon at the apex and still made the corner. Had this been performed in a race, that would have been labeled a great overtake - and as such, it's not a dangerous move.
Schumacher '97 was deemed retaliatory/dangerous and against the spirit of the sport, and since he had committed similar violations before, however unpunished, was eliminated from the whole WDC post race. Schumacher didn't calculate that he was in Ferrari when he hit Villeneuve and not in a Benetton any more. Rookie mistake.
Schumacher actually caused a collision which was clearly his fault, and hence is considered foul. That's a massive difference.
Motivation can matter if you actually commit a foul. Max didn't. You can argue that he's petty, hot headed, immature (i argued the same on Discord if you recall). But if no illegal move was performed, then it's entirely irrelevant what the motivation was.
I have no idea how RBR fans in general accused Hamilton of pushing Max out on purpose in Silverstone and then, when Max behaves self-admittedly with retaliatory behavior you are ready to justify it.
Stop lumping all fans together. The fans arguing Hamilton did Silverstone on purpose is unlikely to be the same arguing Max did nothing wrong here.
Referring to people who are likely getting tinfoil hats for christmas isn't really a great way to argue. In fact, the entire "RBR fans" (or any other team/driver for that matter) argument is seriously getting old. Let's stick to arguing the racing situation.
Where's the inconsistency? HAM/VER in Austria wasn't investigated either.The lack of consistency in your judgements is maddening.
Can you point to a somewhat recent qualifying situation where two drivers interfered with each others hot laps in a similar way, and penalties were handed out?
I refer to my previous post. There's no need for any rule changes here.The fact that FIA has a standard for punishment of these behaviors inferior to that of iRacing is an embarrassment, not something to justify because "there is no rule against it" which is also obviously not true.
You have two drivers interfering with each other on a hot lap by racing. They both ruin each other's laps, but no illegal or dangerous moves were performed (as mentioned, it's a completely standard inside overtake). It's self policing - racing other drivers in qualifying is a risk, and in this case, both drivers got their lap ruined for that risk.
There's no need to get stewards involved for either driver. In fact, in this case, that's likely to just cause a ton of investigations into drivers trying to beat each other to begin a lap for absolutely no reason.
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