Hungarian GP 2009 - Hungaroring

[NaZzO]

I wasnt able to watch the race, does anyone know why ferrari raced only one car? I thought they had 2 test drivers in Gene and Badoer. There is no mention of it in any news sources.

[jonathan189]

Extraordinary race.

My view is that Ferrari and McLaren are not really back in business. Their strong showing in Hungary is due in part to their improved aero but also to the nature of the circuit, and the bizarre performance drop by Brawn.

Remember that at the only other "slow corners" circuit on the calendar -- Monaco -- both teams showed competitive pace and the Red Bulls were surprisingly poor, and that is what we have seen again here, despite all the aero upgrades in between.

Of course, in Monaco Brawn dominated. What happened here? I have no idea but it may well be a tyre issue. Yes, the other teams have improved, but the Brawn car was clearly not performing well today compared to its own previous performances.

Final thought: if McLaren and Ferrari really do dominate the remaining races, and Brawn continue to perform badly, who will win the championship?

One possibility is that Mark Webber could inch towards the top and take the title - with only one race win to his name! Unlikely, but it could happen.

[woohoo]

Briatore is not waiting for Piquet to finish...

Briatore is such a prick.
He used to be a hard ass, now he is just showing how arrogant he is.
No wonder Piquet has trouble performing in such conditions.
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Also: What on earth is wrong with BMW ? I cant get over the fact that they are so amazingly terrible. Its the new Minardi team.

[zgred]

Renault suspended from European GP

What about Brawn and flying springs? That is stupid to punish in this way - it strikes drivers harder than a team.

[jonathan189]

Renault suspended from European GP

!!!!!!

The stewards must have had good reasons. Obviously some car failures are no one's fault, but this one must have resulted from a serious error by the Renault pit crew.

[fenix4life]

After the evens of last week and this weekend I presume the stewards did not want to laugh with that and make a statement.

Now we are certain that Alonso will leave. Renault costs him now a home Grand Prix.
Could we see something like an early switch to Ferrari?

[StrFerrari4Ever]

Argh I'm still very angry at the race firstly Vettel failing to finish & get some points & Webber jumping him in the standings. The starts are always bad for Seb even if he was on the dirty side of the track he constantly gets overtaken by many cars then loses ground to the leaders in the race which stuffs his chances of getting maximum points.

The team have to think about this because in Valencia they can't continue to be beaten by the Fezza's & Macca's and their strategy calls must be better I mean Webber decided to go on the harder tyre and that pretty much killed off his chances.
I wonder if the lack of Newey at recent races means his working on a few upgrades they said they have something major for Singapore but would they add a few bits for Valencia , Spa & Monza then the major one in Singapore? Who knows

The other thing that peeved me off was the failure of Toro Rosso shows still the lack of experience in the team hopefully in Valencia they'll improve and get in the points because their car didn't deserve to be down there getting lapped only consolation from this is Brawn are in a big pile of dog you know what

[Ray]

Renault suspended from European GP

!!!!!!

The stewards must have had good reasons. Obviously some car failures are no one's fault, but this one must have resulted from a serious error by the Renault pit crew.

And Brawn continuing to race a car that they knew had a fault in the rear suspension wasn't a serious error? The reason they weren't suspended is that they don't want Button out of a race. I firmly believe that. Call me nuts, or stupid, or whatever I don't care. Brawn should have been sat out immediately. They even had the --- audacity to tell the stewards they weren't going to remove the engine cover if the cameras didn't leave. If I was a steward I would have slap the --- out of whoever said that and then banned the team from the race AFTER they took off the engine cover in full view of the camera. They had a part fall off their car and almost kill someone and they act that way?!? Knowing full well something was in jeopardy of breaking?!?!

[nudger]

strategy didnt look to play too much part to me.
the lewis/mclaren combo was simply the quickest thing out there...no strategy was going to change that

[Agerasia]

The difference is Renault sent Alonso out knowing he had a dangerous fault on the car. They then failed to recall him to rectify the problem.

[jonathan189]

Anyone else notice Webber actually recorded the fastest lap?

My question is this: do Red Bull lack a winning mentality?

Sure, they can win when their car is miles better than all rivals. But when they've only just got the best car, they have not consistently been able to convert this to a win. Either the strategy has been wrong or they've lost places on the track.

[nudger]

The difference is Renault sent Alonso out knowing he had a dangerous fault on the car. They then failed to recall him to rectify the problem.

who knew? the guy on the wheel probably knew, but he in all likelyhood dosnt have broadcast ability on the radio...so they would had to have time to have a face to face conversation...its not realistic to expect the purch to know in enough time to prevent him leaving the pits.
once he is on the track, its no different to what we have seen countless times before. if in the current climate that kind of behvior is no longer acceptable, fine...but you dont do that like this...you do it by a grid penalty and fine, and a clarification of what is expected in the future

[Ray]

Anyone else notice Webber actually recorded the fastest lap?

My question is this: do Red Bull lack a winning mentality?

Sure, they can win when their car is miles better than all rivals. But when they've only just got the best car, they have not consistently been able to convert this to a win. Either the strategy has been wrong or they've lost places on the track.

KERS. It has destroyed the racing this year in my opinion. Yes Lewis won by a big margin but without KERS he probably wouldn't be where he is. The fact that McLaren need it to be competitive show just how good the Red Bull is. This was a one off race for McLaren and Ferrari. The usual suspects will be back at the front sooner rather than later. It's also funny to me that when Lewis wins in lucky circumstances, with a hefty dose of improvements and great driving, it's because he's so good. But when Alonso smokes the field in both Fuji and Singapore, after a safety car yes but he was untouched the rest of the way, it's mere luck. F1s problem is it's fans, not the racing.

[nudger]

Anyone else notice Webber actually recorded the fastest lap?

My question is this: do Red Bull lack a winning mentality?

Sure, they can win when their car is miles better than all rivals. But when they've only just got the best car, they have not consistently been able to convert this to a win. Either the strategy has been wrong or they've lost places on the track.

KERS. It has destroyed the racing this year in my opinion. Yes Lewis won by a big margin but without KERS he probably wouldn't be where he is. The fact that McLaren need it to be competitive show just how good the Red Bull is. This was a one off race for McLaren and Ferrari. The usual suspects will be back at the front sooner rather than later. It's also funny to me that when Lewis wins in lucky circumstances, with a hefty dose of improvements and great driving, it's because he's so good. But when Alonso smokes the field in both Fuji and Singapore, after a safety car yes but he was untouched the rest of the way, it's mere luck. F1s problem is it's fans, not the racing.

jeeze, the very last bit i absolutely agree with

[PlatinumZealot]

Anyone else notice Webber actually recorded the fastest lap?

My question is this: do Red Bull lack a winning mentality?

Sure, they can win when their car is miles better than all rivals. But when they've only just got the best car, they have not consistently been able to convert this to a win. Either the strategy has been wrong or they've lost places on the track.

KERS. It has destroyed the racing this year in my opinion. Yes Lewis won by a big margin but without KERS he probably wouldn't be where he is. The fact that McLaren need it to be competitive show just how good the Red Bull is. This was a one off race for McLaren and Ferrari. The usual suspects will be back at the front sooner rather than later. It's also funny to me that when Lewis wins in lucky circumstances, with a hefty dose of improvements and great driving, it's because he's so good. But when Alonso smokes the field in both Fuji and Singapore, after a safety car yes but he was untouched the rest of the way, it's mere luck. F1s problem is it's fans, not the racing.

Don't hate, appreciate!

LH came, he saw and he conquered!! Simple as that, he used what he was given ( the car wasn't even the best out there.) and he got the best result.

In fact he only gained ONE place at the start, he overtook Webber in fine fashion, then brought it home.

Wonderful driving.. and you can't take it away from him.



Not to mention that Lewis Hamilton just can't stay out of the history books, The first hybrid car to win a GP! YAY!