Hungarian GP 2009 - Hungaroring

[ISLAMATRON]

KERS. It has destroyed the racing this year in my opinion. Yes Lewis won by a big margin but without KERS he probably wouldn't be where he is. The fact that McLaren need it to be competitive show just how good the Red Bull is. This was a one off race for McLaren and Ferrari. The usual suspects will be back at the front sooner rather than later. It's also funny to me that when Lewis wins in lucky circumstances, with a hefty dose of improvements and great driving, it's because he's so good. But when Alonso smokes the field in both Fuji and Singapore, after a safety car yes but he was untouched the rest of the way, it's mere luck. F1s problem is it's fans, not the racing.

I thought everyone was jumping up & down saying KERS was worthless? Your view of KERS can be said of Brawn & their DDD, now that everyone else has one they are not so dominating... same with the RBR's superior aero, now that Ferrari & McLaren have figured out what was wrong with their car's aero and have fixed it RBR is no longer top dog... the difference? KERS... which Brawn & RBR have every opportunity to put onto their cars.

VAnlencia & Singapore are slow twisty so expect the reds & the silvers to be strong there too.

There was nothing lucky about Lewis's win today, if you didnt notice there were no safety cars today(regardless of how hard Alonso tried to bring one out)... and Lewis actually passed Webbo on the track and ran down Alonso faster than cum down a cheap whore's leg. Alonso didnt pass anyone for that Singapore win, or that Fuji win.

The problem might be with your perception.

[PlatinumZealot]

I have to rub it in!

Going out on a limb, to say: this is a Race for Mcalaren and Lewis Hamilton. Slow track (next to Monaco) and high downforce. Watch and see Hamilton's first Pole position and win of the 2009 season.

Remember this well!

Remember Ferrari was the fastest at Monaco in quly
and almost as fast as the Brawns in race

The Mclaren seemed promising in Monaco, things just didn't turn out right after Lewis' crash.

The Mclaren team feels the same too. I am telling you, they're going to win!

http://www.f1technical.net/news/12892

[mx_tifoso]

Don't hate, appreciate!

LH came, he saw and he conquered!! Simple as that, he used what he was given ( the car wasn't even the best out there.) and he got the best result.

In fact he only gained ONE place at the start, he overtook Webber in fine fashion, then brought it home.

Wonderful driving.. and you can't take it away from him.

Not to mention that Lewis Hamilton just can't stay out of the history books, The first hybrid car to win a GP! YAY!

Please take a cold shower before posting again.

[Ray]

KERS. It has destroyed the racing this year in my opinion. Yes Lewis won by a big margin but without KERS he probably wouldn't be where he is. The fact that McLaren need it to be competitive show just how good the Red Bull is. This was a one off race for McLaren and Ferrari. The usual suspects will be back at the front sooner rather than later. It's also funny to me that when Lewis wins in lucky circumstances, with a hefty dose of improvements and great driving, it's because he's so good. But when Alonso smokes the field in both Fuji and Singapore, after a safety car yes but he was untouched the rest of the way, it's mere luck. F1s problem is it's fans, not the racing.

I thought everyone was jumping up & down saying KERS was worthless? Your view of KERS can be said of Brawn & their DDD, now that everyone else has one they are not so dominating... same with the RBR's superior aero, now that Ferrari & McLaren have figured out what was wrong with their car's aero and have fixed it RBR is no longer top dog... the difference? KERS... which Brawn & RBR have every opportunity to put onto their cars.

VAnlencia & Singapore are slow twisty so expect the reds & the silvers to be strong there too.

There was nothing lucky about Lewis's win today, if you didnt notice there were no safety cars today(regardless of how hard Alonso tried to bring one out)... and Lewis actually passed Webbo on the track and ran down Alonso faster than cum down a cheap whore's leg. Alonso didnt pass anyone for that Singapore win, or that Fuji win.

The problem might be with your perception.

He passed Webber because he had KERS and they were saying on Speed that Alonso was having fuel pump problems. But of course neither of those things helped him to a win. And what I meant about KERS ruining racing is this, how many cars have you seen get stuck behind a KERS car and not being able to pass it? I don't like KERS, and yes my perception may be wrong, but KERS is stupid. Take it off every car that has it and they will not perform at the same level they are now.You must also remember that KERS was made out to be a great thing and yet the top teams don't have it and have made improvements on parts of the cars that were already there. Alonso passed quite a few people at the start of the race because of Lewis making a mistake, that certainly help, but afterwards no one could catch him. McLaren and Ferrari top dogs again? After one race of them being in front? Hardly. Look at the points. I highly doubt that KERS is going to help them all that much, development of existing parts carried over from the last 30 years, diffusers and aero bits, will be where it's at.

[roost89]

F1s problem is it's fans, not the racing.

I agree. The constant calls to "improve overtaking" is ridiculous. F1 is not broken so don't fix it!

Still watching the race, 2 minutes at a time...my internet is so slow and BBC iPlayer doesn't allow me to stream more than the 2 loaded minutes I can get it's the longest GP of my life.

Thank god it's quite an interesting race to watch (so far anyway)

[djos]

Don't hate, appreciate!

LH came, he saw and he conquered!! Simple as that, he used what he was given ( the car wasn't even the best out there.) and he got the best result.

In fact he only gained ONE place at the start, he overtook Webber in fine fashion, then brought it home.

Wonderful driving.. and you can't take it away from him.



Not to mention that Lewis Hamilton just can't stay out of the history books, The first hybrid car to win a GP! YAY!

LH drove a very good race but he ONLY got as far up as he did (including passing Webber) by using his cheat/KERS button!

[ISLAMATRON]

He passed Webber because he had KERS and they were saying on Speed that Alonso was having fuel pump problems. But of course neither of those things helped him to a win. And what I meant about KERS ruining racing is this, how many cars have you seen get stuck behind a KERS car and not being able to pass it? I don't like KERS, and yes my perception may be wrong, but KERS is stupid. Take it off every car that has it and they will not perform at the same level they are now.You must also remember that KERS was made out to be a great thing and yet the top teams don't have it and have made improvements on parts of the cars that were already there. Alonso passed quite a few people at the start of the race because of Lewis making a mistake, that certainly help, but afterwards no one could catch him. McLaren and Ferrari top dogs again? After one race of them being in front? Hardly. Look at the points. I highly doubt that KERS is going to help them all that much, development of existing parts carried over from the last 30 years, diffusers and aero bits, will be where it's at.

Thus showing you the value of KERS, so you are saying that the race would have been better if Lews diddnt have KERS and was stuck in Webber's dirty air for the whole race? Like I said yout perception is skewed... against Lewis and or McLaren

Fuel pump or not Alonso was not really a factor in this race, His pole position was as important as Truillis at the '05 USGP... worthless... it was an attempt for airtime, and maybe a couple points.

Ferrari and McLaren took KERS of their car and they did worse, BMW is battling with FIF1 & STR since they took theirs off and Renault does stupid circus tricks for the pole since they cant pass anyone on track without theirs.

KERS will help them because they are the only ones who have it... the DDD field is equalized no and the Aero is starting to be as well.

[Ray]

He passed Webber because he had KERS and they were saying on Speed that Alonso was having fuel pump problems. But of course neither of those things helped him to a win. And what I meant about KERS ruining racing is this, how many cars have you seen get stuck behind a KERS car and not being able to pass it? I don't like KERS, and yes my perception may be wrong, but KERS is stupid. Take it off every car that has it and they will not perform at the same level they are now.You must also remember that KERS was made out to be a great thing and yet the top teams don't have it and have made improvements on parts of the cars that were already there. Alonso passed quite a few people at the start of the race because of Lewis making a mistake, that certainly help, but afterwards no one could catch him. McLaren and Ferrari top dogs again? After one race of them being in front? Hardly. Look at the points. I highly doubt that KERS is going to help them all that much, development of existing parts carried over from the last 30 years, diffusers and aero bits, will be where it's at.

Thus showing you the value of KERS, so you are saying that the race would have been better if Lews diddnt have KERS and was stuck in Webber's dirty air for the whole race? Like I said yout perception is skewed... against Lewis and or McLaren

Fuel pump or not Alonso was not really a factor in this race, His pole position was as important as Truillis at the '05 USGP... worthless... it was an attempt for airtime, and maybe a couple points.

Ferrari and McLaren took KERS of their car and they did worse, BMW is battling with FIF1 & STR since they took theirs off and Renault does stupid circus tricks for the pole since they cant pass anyone on track without theirs.

KERS will help them because they are the only ones who have it... the DDD field is equalized no and the Aero is starting to be as well.

Most cars that are stuck behind a KERS cars are in the midfield. And if they are stuck behind because of KERS,how is that any different in your example of dirty air? IT'S NOT! Wake up! It's changed nothing. All it has done has replace aero wake problems with KERS. It's a stupid idea, a waste of money and hasn't improved the racing one bit.

[ISLAMATRON]

Don't hate, appreciate!

LH came, he saw and he conquered!! Simple as that, he used what he was given ( the car wasn't even the best out there.) and he got the best result.

In fact he only gained ONE place at the start, he overtook Webber in fine fashion, then brought it home.

Wonderful driving.. and you can't take it away from him.

Not to mention that Lewis Hamilton just can't stay out of the history books, The first hybrid car to win a GP! YAY!

LH drove a very good race but he ONLY got as far up as he did (including passing Webber) by using his cheat/KERS button!

Cheat button huh? is that like the cheat DDD? will you call it that when RBR starts to run it?

[Ray]

Don't hate, appreciate!

LH came, he saw and he conquered!! Simple as that, he used what he was given ( the car wasn't even the best out there.) and he got the best result.

In fact he only gained ONE place at the start, he overtook Webber in fine fashion, then brought it home.

Wonderful driving.. and you can't take it away from him.

Not to mention that Lewis Hamilton just can't stay out of the history books, The first hybrid car to win a GP! YAY!

LH drove a very good race but he ONLY got as far up as he did (including passing Webber) by using his cheat/KERS button!

I'll call it the 'Red Bull gives you wiiings!' button. But it would be hell to fit that on a small button!
Cheat button huh? is that like the cheat DDD? will you call it that when RBR starts to run it?

[ISLAMATRON]

Most cars that are stuck behind a KERS cars are in the midfield. And if they are stuck behind because of KERS,how is that any different in your example of dirty air? IT'S NOT! Wake up! It's changed nothing. All it has done has replace aero wake problems with KERS. It's a stupid idea, a waste of money and hasn't improved the racing one bit.

And that is where you are wrong, KERS does not effect the speed of the following car, whereas the DDD does, the following car can still battle whereas if a faster car is stuck behind a slower one the aero from the slower one makes it impossible to attack for too long, because they destroy their tires. KERS still allows the following car to attack whereas aero wake does not...THAT IS THE DIFFERENCE, RECOGNIZE & UNDERSTAND

Eventually the faster non KERS car can still battle and pass the slower KERS car(example RB & heikki @ Turkey). Whereas the DDD, the 1 element that has done the most damage to the racing this year, does not allow the following car to attack at all or get to within .5 tenths of the leading car.

and Trust me the DDD was an equally expensive development, and has absolutely no road relevance

[djos]

Don't hate, appreciate!

LH came, he saw and he conquered!! Simple as that, he used what he was given ( the car wasn't even the best out there.) and he got the best result.

In fact he only gained ONE place at the start, he overtook Webber in fine fashion, then brought it home.

Wonderful driving.. and you can't take it away from him.

Not to mention that Lewis Hamilton just can't stay out of the history books, The first hybrid car to win a GP! YAY!

LH drove a very good race but he ONLY got as far up as he did (including passing Webber) by using his cheat/KERS button!

Cheat button huh? is that like the cheat DDD? will you call it that when RBR starts to run it?

I dont like KERS, it was Mosely's stupid attempt to appeal to the hard-core greenies and pretend F1 cars could be green just like a Prius!

The stupid thing is that if everyone had KERS, there would be no advantage! =D>

EDIT: I was opposed to the DDD as it went against the spirit of the rules and still think it should be banned for 2010.

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Anyone else notice Webber actually recorded the fastest lap?

My question is this: do Red Bull lack a winning mentality?

Sure, they can win when their car is miles better than all rivals. But when they've only just got the best car, they have not consistently been able to convert this to a win. Either the strategy has been wrong or they've lost places on the track.

True but I don't think the RB had the pace to mix it with Lewis today. That fastest lap was set during the 3rd stint when the track had fully rubbered in and most of the field were on the soft tyre while Mark was on the super soft. I think Mark should have been 2nd today on pace but his race was screwed after the issue in the first stop. He lost out not only to Kimi but was then also behind Glock.

Running the whole 2nd stint on the hard was not the best call but then again it looked like the rear tyre wear on the super soft might had been marginal. Without the right tyre the chance to chase a re-pass Kimi was lost. C'est la vie.

I think the most telling thing from Hungary is that Brawn have definitely lost pace and are not nearly as competitive as they were in Turkey. This is no longer just a temperature issue but something else that is affecting their performance. After thinking this season would be a white wash it now looks very interesting. I have no doubt that RBR will now win the Construtors and the WDC could come down to the final race. There are a lot of RBR friendly tracks left, namely Spa, Monza, Japan, Brazil. If Jenson does not win in Singapore and Valencia his title chances could be lost.

[dave34m]

Wow, one win and it brings out all the Mclaren haters. Lighten up people and enjoy a great win by a truely great driver and team.

Kers isnt the only raeson Lewis won either, its clear that the team have managed to create a winning car using kers, something that plenty of people have rubbished here, but Lewis drove brilliantly the whole race and achieved one of his best results ever.

Good job Mclaren, I wish you all the best of luck or the rest of the season.

[ISLAMATRON]

I dont like KERS, it was Mosely's stupid attempt to appeal to the hard-core greenies and pretend F1 cars could be green just like a Prius!

The stupid thing is that if everyone had KERS, there would be no advantage! =D>

EDIT: I was opposed to the DDD as it went against the spirit of the rules and still think it should be banned for 2010.

Wrong again, there would be an advantage to the teams who make it lighter and more efficient, just like they have been doing with engines for the last 50 years... are those stupid too?

It has little to do with greening, but has a lot more to do with advancing technology(especially road relevant tech), as it is F1 is stuck in mid nineties technology, but some will never understand.