2023 Abu Dhabi Grand Prix - Yas Marina, Nov 24 - 26

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Re: 2023 Abu Dhabi Grand Prix - Yas Marina, Nov 24 - 26

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Oleo wrote:
25 Nov 2023, 08:55
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25 Nov 2023, 00:27
Oleo wrote:
24 Nov 2023, 18:37


Nonsense, they can drive where they like, it would be reasonable to just let someone who is that impatient go by.
Yes but not too slowly.

At least not in qualifying.
Unnecessarily slowly, so in a train or to create a gap seems fine.
You're allowed to do it as long as you leave space for others to overtake

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The changed the rules for today: overtaking in the pit lane exit will not be allowed in Qualifying

As per article 33.4 of the FIA Formula One Sporting Regulations, drivers are not allowed to drive unnecessarily slowly, that includes stopping a car in the fast lane of the pit lane. Additionally, overtaking is prohibited in the pit exit road unless a car slows with an obvious problem.

https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files ... s%20V3.pdf

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25 Nov 2023, 09:44
The changed the rules for today: overtaking in the pit lane exit will not be allowed in Qualifying

As per article 33.4 of the FIA Formula One Sporting Regulations, drivers are not allowed to drive unnecessarily slowly, that includes stopping a car in the fast lane of the pit lane. Additionally, overtaking is prohibited in the pit exit road unless a car slows with an obvious problem.

https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files ... s%20V3.pdf
So now drivers can crawl through the tunnel extremely slowly as they're now entitled to do by the rules to build a gap, but overtaking is also not permitted.. so if you're at the back of the queue you're in the situation of being stuck again... How's this a good solution?

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organic wrote:
25 Nov 2023, 08:57
Oleo wrote:
25 Nov 2023, 08:55
TFSA wrote:
25 Nov 2023, 00:27


Yes but not too slowly.

At least not in qualifying.
Unnecessarily slowly, so in a train or to create a gap seems fine.
You're allowed to do it as long as you leave space for others to overtake
There was such a rule in brasil. It was event specific.
organic wrote:
25 Nov 2023, 10:01
search wrote:
25 Nov 2023, 09:44
The changed the rules for today: overtaking in the pit lane exit will not be allowed in Qualifying

As per article 33.4 of the FIA Formula One Sporting Regulations, drivers are not allowed to drive unnecessarily slowly, that includes stopping a car in the fast lane of the pit lane. Additionally, overtaking is prohibited in the pit exit road unless a car slows with an obvious problem.

https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files ... s%20V3.pdf
So now drivers can crawl through the tunnel extremely slowly as they're now entitled to do by the rules to build a gap, but overtaking is also not permitted.. so if you're at the back of the queue you're in the situation of being stuck again... How's this a good solution?
Indeed, they came up with something dumb again. :lol:

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Oleo wrote:
25 Nov 2023, 10:10
organic wrote:
25 Nov 2023, 08:57
Oleo wrote:
25 Nov 2023, 08:55


Unnecessarily slowly, so in a train or to create a gap seems fine.
You're allowed to do it as long as you leave space for others to overtake
There was such a rule in brasil. It was event specific.
organic wrote:
25 Nov 2023, 10:01
search wrote:
25 Nov 2023, 09:44
The changed the rules for today: overtaking in the pit lane exit will not be allowed in Qualifying

As per article 33.4 of the FIA Formula One Sporting Regulations, drivers are not allowed to drive unnecessarily slowly, that includes stopping a car in the fast lane of the pit lane. Additionally, overtaking is prohibited in the pit exit road unless a car slows with an obvious problem.

https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files ... s%20V3.pdf
So now drivers can crawl through the tunnel extremely slowly as they're now entitled to do by the rules to build a gap, but overtaking is also not permitted.. so if you're at the back of the queue you're in the situation of being stuck again... How's this a good solution?
Indeed, they came up with something dumb again. :lol:
It has always been allowed to overtake in the pitlane exit but usually is not feasible. In Brazil they said that if you want to drive slowly enough to build a gap then you pull to the left. This meant there is a gap to the right for others to overtake if they want and hence we saw lots of that.

Here there was no mention of pulling to the left, but neither was overtaking in the pitlane exit not allowed.

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Another knee jerk reaction from Wittich, such a weak race director. Masi was a lot smarter and better overall. No wonder, he got taught by Charlie Whiting. Who taught Wittich to be F1 race director? Toto I guess.

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Last race of the season, no championships on the line, no pressure or anything, just a practice session!

Can’t really understand the point of rushing like that and trying to pass everyone in the pit lane…it wasn’t even qualifying!

He’s the only guy doing it again and again and he has been doing it for some races now! Classic slow reaction by the FIA…
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Willingness to win.
He had 12 minutes or so of representative practice time. and he wanted to get as much laps in and be as prepared as possible. Every extra 10 seconds spend on the pit exit could cost an opportunity to drive extra lap. Is it really that tough to figure out? I can't actually understand why Hamilton was crawling down on NEUTRAL, creating a traffic jam behind, instead of rushing out on the track, as he was one of the drivers that missed FP1 as well. Probably he isn't that eager. Probably he preferred(or needed) extra slow out lap, but that's not Max problem. He needed fast outlap, and the rules were cleared - keep you car to the left on the pit exit and let others by if you aren't in a hurry.

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Who are the two interlopers at the front between Sainz and Russell?

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avantman wrote:
25 Nov 2023, 10:54
Willingness to win.
He had 12 minutes or so of representative practice time. and he wanted to get as much laps in and be as prepared as possible.
...but then went on to do a slow outlap, and was passed again by Russell anyway.

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25 Nov 2023, 11:07
Who are the two interlopers at the front between Sainz and Russell?
Legal adviser Anatasia Fowle and former F1 driver Alex Wurz. It is a photo of the GPDA.
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search wrote:
25 Nov 2023, 11:08
avantman wrote:
25 Nov 2023, 10:54
Willingness to win.
He had 12 minutes or so of representative practice time. and he wanted to get as much laps in and be as prepared as possible.
...but then went on to do a slow outlap, and was passed again by Russell anyway.
He had to slow down on his out lap only because he caught up with the alpine of Ocon, and you know Ocon....lol. He made sure he won't let Max past him. and for Russell, to overtake Max, firstly he had to overtake Hamilton, which again proves the point how slow Lewis was, and secondly, whinged Russell was trying to prove a point he didn't like Max move. By the way, during the FP2 Russell did 8 timed laps, Max managed to drive 5 laps, whilst Lewis only 3. Which again backs up my point, that not only few extra seconds could be worth of an extra valuable timed lap in the end of free practice, but also how much eager was Max to get back on track. If there was anyone who had to hurry even more, it was Lewis....but it seems he simply doesn't care too much. He's secured his P3 in the Championship. What position Mercedes will end up n Constructors doesn't bother him at all.

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organic wrote:
25 Nov 2023, 10:13
Oleo wrote:
25 Nov 2023, 10:10
organic wrote:
25 Nov 2023, 08:57


You're allowed to do it as long as you leave space for others to overtake
There was such a rule in brasil. It was event specific.
organic wrote:
25 Nov 2023, 10:01


So now drivers can crawl through the tunnel extremely slowly as they're now entitled to do by the rules to build a gap, but overtaking is also not permitted.. so if you're at the back of the queue you're in the situation of being stuck again... How's this a good solution?
Indeed, they came up with something dumb again. :lol:
It has always been allowed to overtake in the pitlane exit but usually is not feasible. In Brazil they said that if you want to drive slowly enough to build a gap then you pull to the left. This meant there is a gap to the right for others to overtake if they want and hence we saw lots of that.

Here there was no mention of pulling to the left, but neither was overtaking in the pitlane exit not allowed.

We are talking in circles saying the same thing. :D
My point was always about leaving space and staying left, which was just a brasil thing.

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AMG.Tzan wrote:
25 Nov 2023, 10:46
Last race of the season, no championships on the line, no pressure or anything, just a practice session!

Can’t really understand the point of rushing like that and trying to pass everyone in the pit lane…it wasn’t even qualifying!

He’s the only guy doing it again and again and he has been doing it for some races now! Classic slow reaction by the FIA…
He is just being Max..once behind the wheel it's all about winning mindset..:)