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Max had also made a lot of mistakes from being greedy and hot headed. It is worth making this parallel. Whilst the pressure they are under is different for each which Max being a racing animal who comes out fighting if things didn't go his way, Lando being more introspective - the journey looks to be similar. Lando needs a few breaks to get a win or two and some more poles to get used to being a constantly at the front, and we hope, this should be enough for him to acclimatise to being a challenger and to convert more points.avantman wrote: ↑25 Nov 2023, 20:11I've noticed this shortcoming of Lando a few years back. He's been making big or small mistake in Q3 when it matters the most quite often in the past, and I don't see any real improvement in that regard. Tomorrow the team have another big problem. They have much slower driver (at least 0.5s a lap slower in race trim) in front of the faster driver. Could cost them P2 at the end easily, which is the least this car deserves on merit.
Not sure what are you talking about. Verstappen has been the most precise and consistent in qualifying since the 2nd half of 2018 season, five and a half past years already. This is not my impression, this is just raw statistics and it's jsut about time to end all those BS talks about the car designed to suit him and him only, exclusively.mwillems wrote: ↑25 Nov 2023, 20:28Max had also made a lot of mistakes from being greedy and hot headed. It is worth making this parallel. Whilst the pressure they are under is different for each which Max being a racing animal who comes out fighting if things didn't go his way, Lando being more introspective - the journey looks to be similar. Lando needs a few breaks to get a win or two and some more poles to get used to being a lead driver and that, we hope. should be enough for him to acclimatise to being a challenger and to convert more points.avantman wrote: ↑25 Nov 2023, 20:11I've noticed this shortcoming of Lando a few years back. He's been making big or small mistake in Q3 when it matters the most quite often in the past, and I don't see any real improvement in that regard. Tomorrow the team have another big problem. They have much slower driver (at least 0.5s a lap slower in race trim) in front of the faster driver. Could cost them P2 at the end easily, which is the least this car deserves on merit.
I'm not talking about Qualifying, I'm talking about overall. Max had a lot of incidents with his own teammate and other drivers before he settled down and found his balance.avantman wrote: ↑25 Nov 2023, 20:36Not sure what are you talking about. Verstappen has been the most precise and consistent in qualifying since the 2nd half of 2018 season, five and a half past years already. This is not my impression, this is just raw statistics and it's jsut about time to end all those BS talks about the car designed to suit him and him only, exclusively.mwillems wrote: ↑25 Nov 2023, 20:28Max had also made a lot of mistakes from being greedy and hot headed. It is worth making this parallel. Whilst the pressure they are under is different for each which Max being a racing animal who comes out fighting if things didn't go his way, Lando being more introspective - the journey looks to be similar. Lando needs a few breaks to get a win or two and some more poles to get used to being a lead driver and that, we hope. should be enough for him to acclimatise to being a challenger and to convert more points.avantman wrote: ↑25 Nov 2023, 20:11I've noticed this shortcoming of Lando a few years back. He's been making big or small mistake in Q3 when it matters the most quite often in the past, and I don't see any real improvement in that regard. Tomorrow the team have another big problem. They have much slower driver (at least 0.5s a lap slower in race trim) in front of the faster driver. Could cost them P2 at the end easily, which is the least this car deserves on merit.
He's made some mistakes in qualifying in the beginning of 2022, when the car had obvious fault(significant understeer trait), but he doesn't make any significant and costly mistakes when he likes the car. Lando literally said again the car felt great, and good enough for P1. That's not really a good sign when a drivers makes costly mistakes under pressure when the car feels great and up to driver's liking. Qatar, Mexico, Brazil (yes, he made a mistake there as well), Abu Dhabi. Did I miss something? This is way too much anyways...
Lando needs to live through the first corner..5th place can be dangerous…FittingMechanics wrote: ↑25 Nov 2023, 21:32Piastri and Norris are team players. If Norris is faster Piastri will let him through.
I wouldn't worry about it. I still think that maximum we can aim for is P2 and P3 which would be a great finish to the season but a shame we are not in a better position to fight for the win. Who knows, maybe we get some luck in the race. Piastri should be super aggressive.
Max made some mistakes in quali in 2021 and 2022 and even this year (Miami, Qatar sprint, COTA, not counting the ones where he was still on pole, like Silverstone, etc) It's just that you can afford those in that car cause no one notices and Perez is 3 miles behind.avantman wrote: ↑25 Nov 2023, 20:36Not sure what are you talking about. Verstappen has been the most precise and consistent in qualifying since the 2nd half of 2018 season, five and a half past years already. This is not my impression, this is just raw statistics and it's jsut about time to end all those BS talks about the car designed to suit him and him only, exclusively.mwillems wrote: ↑25 Nov 2023, 20:28Max had also made a lot of mistakes from being greedy and hot headed. It is worth making this parallel. Whilst the pressure they are under is different for each which Max being a racing animal who comes out fighting if things didn't go his way, Lando being more introspective - the journey looks to be similar. Lando needs a few breaks to get a win or two and some more poles to get used to being a lead driver and that, we hope. should be enough for him to acclimatise to being a challenger and to convert more points.avantman wrote: ↑25 Nov 2023, 20:11I've noticed this shortcoming of Lando a few years back. He's been making big or small mistake in Q3 when it matters the most quite often in the past, and I don't see any real improvement in that regard. Tomorrow the team have another big problem. They have much slower driver (at least 0.5s a lap slower in race trim) in front of the faster driver. Could cost them P2 at the end easily, which is the least this car deserves on merit.
He's made some mistakes in qualifying in the beginning of 2022, when the car had obvious fault(significant understeer trait), but he doesn't make any significant and costly mistakes when he likes the car. Lando literally said again the car felt great, and good enough for P1. That's not really a good sign when a drivers makes costly mistakes under pressure when the car feels great and up to driver's liking. Qatar, Mexico, Brazil (yes, he made a mistake there as well), Abu Dhabi. Did I miss something? This is way too much anyways...
True. Just don’t think that sort of turn around has been seen much in F1. They’ve simply done a stunning job to get to this pointFittingMechanics wrote: ↑25 Nov 2023, 23:09It is a real shame this amazing car may end up without a pole and without a win.
Still hoping for a great race tomorrow.
Almost 50% of the races since Austria, Lando has come 2nd. That's pretty good, in terms of trying to capitalise upon a mistake. Unfortunately mistakes are few and far between.organic wrote: ↑25 Nov 2023, 23:47Meh Lando is in no different of a position than red bull in 2020 against the W11. On pure pace they're unlikely to ever get more than P2 if he drives perfectly, but the least you should do is that in order to be the one to capitalise if RB have issues
Lando has not been there in many instances already when he should've. The idea that Verstappen had this sort of problem doesn't hold weight: Lando has been out of karts for more than 7 years already. When max stopped having major incidents (early 2018 onwards) he was in his 4th year out of karts.