Having handed over his car to reserve driver in the opening practice, Ferrari regular driver Charles Leclerc set the benchmark time in the second practice session at the Abu Dhabi Grand Prix.
I agree, didn't seem he was recovering an oversteer or understeer but positioning (clumsily) the car
"You've got to remember that, when you dive from behind, when you go into the brakes late, you are not at full control of the car." - S Perez, post-race interview.
Odd how they seem to be fine when they are penalising everyone who isn't a Red Bull driver?
Hard to know if it was clever or not. First corner incidents apparently take c.17 minutes to establish fault, even when you are divebombing yourself and your opponent into an adjacent car park (see last week). Hamilton lost the place within c.3 minutes so there simply wasn't time to issue a penalty. Not much harm was done, it's not like he held Perez up for almost the entire opening stint and wrecked his tyres for corner after corner after corner, lap after lap after lap whilst keeping his own in pristine condition and controlling the pace of the race (that seems much 'cleverer').
I remember Juzh arguing against Red Bull/Perez earlier this year on this very forum. Here's a few few examples:Incognito wrote: ↑27 Nov 2023, 01:17"You've got to remember that, when you dive from behind, when you go into the brakes late, you are not at full control of the car." - S Perez, post-race interview.
But what does Perez know, right?
Odd how they seem to be fine when they are penalising everyone who isn't a Red Bull driver?
It's not an issue of whether Perez made enough space for the other car, but rather whether Perez compromised the other cars line.langedweil wrote: ↑27 Nov 2023, 03:04After watching it multiple times I'd still say that Per didn't overshoot and did make the corner with enough space for another car
I've looked at it. It's definitely a knives edge, but Alonso was all the way to the right, was only on the brake very shortly and Hamilton was a bit back. Hamilton wasn't obviously prepared for it, but he might have pounced and just cut past him.langedweil wrote: ↑27 Nov 2023, 03:04I'd say the Alo-Ham incident was way way more dangerous .. and that led to a 'no further action'
This. Lando is allowed his racing line when keeping enough room. It was up to Perez to avoid the collision, which he did not do.TFSA wrote: ↑27 Nov 2023, 04:13It's not an issue of whether Perez made enough space for the other car, but rather whether Perez compromised the other cars line.langedweil wrote: ↑27 Nov 2023, 03:04After watching it multiple times I'd still say that Per didn't overshoot and did make the corner with enough space for another car
Perez is entitled to fight side by side with Lando, but Lando - being the leading driver - is entitled to dictate the line, as long as he leaves Perez the required space. Perez isn't entitled to dictate the line when he's the overtaking driver. It's the same as Silverstone 21, where Max, being the leading driver, gets to dictate the line.
In addition, it was a very late lunge by Perez. He's late on the brakes (he braked at the same time as Norris, but being in a tow and carrying more speed, his braking action is reduced). Characteristics of a divebomb. That's also why Landos turnin looks a bit silly - he didn't expect Perez to take a wider line. But that's on Perez.
You could argue that Lando carries a bit of the blame - and i actually think he does. But a driver only needs to be predominantly at fault to attain a penalty.
You post many great things mate but that’s probably the worst call you’ve made on here. The stewards absolutely called this correctly. It’s pretty plain to see PER went wide, not in control of the car momentarilyJuzh wrote: ↑26 Nov 2023, 23:23Looking at perez norris stuff once again, it's norris who should get two penalties. One for intentionally turning into an opponent, second one for cutting the track and gaining an advantage. Perez is fully in control of his car, it wasn't any sort of divebomb, and norris let the door open completely. There's also still space on the outside of that corner for norris to occupy. Worst stewarding I've seen since a long time, and then modern FIA seemingly has authority over drivers as if they're little babies, calling perez in to defend himself. He should tell em to go places where sun doesnt shine tbh. Gunther is absolutely right, entire stewards bunch is a whole load of amateur hour week in week out.
Quality of a race never dictated the length of a race thread here. It's always a controversy that elongated it. A good fight between two cars or more isn't enough to drag the thread.
