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Rumors, rear suspensin with push rod

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FDD wrote:
09 Dec 2023, 19:51
Rumors, rear suspensin with push rod
Source of the rumor if possible?

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Xyz22 wrote:
10 Dec 2023, 00:45
FDD wrote:
09 Dec 2023, 19:51
Rumors, rear suspensin with push rod
Source of the rumor if possible?
Forgot it, read it on some webpage.

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FDD wrote:
09 Dec 2023, 19:51
Rumors, rear suspensin with push rod
Next year, Ferrari will have a car revolutionized on an aerodynamic level, to understand a lot especially at the beginning of the season.
I don't think they want to introduce further unknowns by adopting a different type of rear suspension than the one used for a very long time.

Furthermore, so far, the rumors (see previous posts) seem to confirm that the type of suspensions will not change.

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FDD wrote:
10 Dec 2023, 19:35
Xyz22 wrote:
10 Dec 2023, 00:45
FDD wrote:
09 Dec 2023, 19:51
Rumors, rear suspensin with push rod
Source of the rumor if possible?
Forgot it, read it on some webpage.
https://formu1a.uno/ferrari-tra-passato ... te-e-2024/

Third paragraph under the technical drawing: "The suspension design will change to serve aerodynamics while maintaining the front push-rod and rear pull-rod.".

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gordonthegun wrote:
10 Dec 2023, 20:42
FDD wrote:
10 Dec 2023, 19:35
Xyz22 wrote:
10 Dec 2023, 00:45


Source of the rumor if possible?
Forgot it, read it on some webpage.
https://formu1a.uno/ferrari-tra-passato ... te-e-2024/

Third paragraph under the technical drawing: "The suspension design will change to serve aerodynamics while maintaining the front push-rod and rear pull-rod.".
I'm not sure if intended, but this confirms the opposite: That the rear would remain pull-rod (opposite to RB)
A lion must kill its prey.

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Didn't Leclerc and Sainz already did sim runs for 2024 car past week. No news on it yet ?

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AR3-GP wrote:
11 Dec 2023, 00:45
gordonthegun wrote:
10 Dec 2023, 20:42
FDD wrote:
10 Dec 2023, 19:35


Forgot it, read it on some webpage.
https://formu1a.uno/ferrari-tra-passato ... te-e-2024/

Third paragraph under the technical drawing: "The suspension design will change to serve aerodynamics while maintaining the front push-rod and rear pull-rod.".
I'm not sure if intended, but this confirms the opposite: That the rear would remain pull-rod (opposite to RB)
It's intended.

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jambuka wrote:
11 Dec 2023, 09:17
Didn't Leclerc and Sainz already did sim runs for 2024 car past week. No news on it yet ?
There have been way less news/rumors out of Ferrari since June/July this year.

Expect to hear way less "noise" going into this season.

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From what I’ve gathered and read, it seems about the same in terms of information flow… expecting to see more rumours come the start of 2024, with all the tabloids/journalists reporting half a second here, revolutionary there, complete new concept, wind tunnel numbers positive etc.

It’s off-season F1 bingo, Ferrari Edition. :roll:

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Well maybe i was "wrong" (even though last year was very different with many reports saying the car was super quick etc.)

Huge info dump from Nugnes https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-fe ... /10557229/

Some highlights:

- New trasmission with 20mm less width and same length in order to have a bigger diffuser "slide" (i don't know if it's the correct technical term as i translated from italian "scivolo") --> Not easy to achieve the same reliability standards as the previous spec

- Rear suspension will remain Pull - Rod. Revised geometry in order to increase the "anti squat" effect

- Front suspension will be revised to follow the anti dive "concept"

- Much bigger undercut under the sidepods

- Lighter chassis


Here you can find the article translated with chat gpt:
According to rumors, the length of the gearbox will not change, so the wheelbase of the 676 will not change significantly compared to the SF-23, but the effort has been made to gain about 20 mm on each side in width. The advantage will be to have a larger diffuser slide, capable of making the car more efficient, which, at least on paper, should generate more downforce with the body, allowing the reduction of wing resistance and allowing for profiles with smaller cord and incidences.

The exercise is more complex than it may seem for three reasons: a narrower transmission must achieve the same levels of torsional resistance to avoid stiffness losses that would have detrimental effects on the car's track handling. Ferrari technicians have set ambitious goals because it will be possible to achieve a small weight saving associated mainly with aerodynamic advantages. The other significant difficulty is fitting the internal part of the rear suspension.

As previously anticipated on Motorsport.com, the scheme will remain that of the pull rod, but the design of the linkages will be completely revised, following some Red Bull concepts (the RB19 is a push rod). We will see more misaligned arms both front and rear, seeking mechanical advantages. In the rear, the upper multilink arm will be significantly inclined downward to increase the anti-squat effect, while in the front, there will be a reversed design to favor anti-dive.

What are we talking about? We're talking about schemes useful to avoid excessive nose dive during braking and the equivalent squatting of the rear during acceleration. Being able to stabilize the behavior of the "box" would mean having a Ferrari less sensitive to changes in height from the asphalt and, therefore, with fewer sudden losses of load that are detrimental to tire health.

The side pods will be more sloping, following Red Bull's guidelines, and the radiator inlet will have a narrower frontal section to increase the airflow directed under the sidepod, in a decidedly more flared underbody compared to that of the SF-23 because the lower anti-intrusion cone will be embedded in the floor and will no longer protrude to disrupt the flow on the curb.

Even on the chassis, there is an expectation of weight gain, and we should not be surprised if we see the keel shape at the front that Adrian Newey bet on in 2023. In the Sports Management, there is a positive atmosphere, corroborated by the new arrivals from Red Bull and Mercedes, speaking of a red car capable of aligning with the choices of the best competition, without overturning its basic concepts.

The other Enrico, head of engines Gualtieri, is continuing to refine power unit management strategies for better use of hybrid technology, continuing a job that opened a new development path mid-season and allowed the SF-23 to extract all the potential it contained, also reducing tire wear thanks to a less brutal and aggressive delivery of electric power.

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Concerned by what sounds like a RB lite. Going to be difficult to be on par with them if trying to develop a car that’s trying to emulate them.
Of course we might pull it out the bag, but seems unlikely at best.

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Vinlarr89 wrote:
13 Dec 2023, 00:13
Concerned by what sounds like a RB lite. Going to be difficult to be on par with them if trying to develop a car that’s trying to emulate them.
Of course we might pull it out the bag, but seems unlikely at best.
I mean it's hard not to do some of the things that Red Bull did considering how successful they've been. But there are still some innovations and natural development based on the SF23, so just reading this seems like a nice balance. Only time will tell I guess

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Xyz22 wrote:
12 Dec 2023, 13:16

- New trasmission with 20mm less width and same length in order to have a bigger diffuser "slide" (i don't know if it's the correct technical term as i translated from italian "scivolo") --> Not easy to achieve the same reliability standards as the previous spec
The article mentions 20mm on each side... :shock: It is a huge change and effort and I hope they know what they are doing if true. I'm not sure if this 20mm is related to the end of the gearbox or where it meets the PU (which is where it is the widest), but it would make sense if its close to PU, where the diffuser ramp starts to expand.

Pull-rod rear might mean they will keep the inwash-downwash hybrid sidepods. Or the whole rear packaging would change too much if they switch to push-rod, which you want to avoid 2 years before another major car design change.
And they call it a stall. A STALL!

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A lot of talk about a smaller transmission planned for 2024. Says both Ferrari and Merc aim to accomplish this.

Here come the promises
The 2024 cars of many teams will have new concepts , and by concept we do not necessarily have to mean the aerodynamic one (there is much more), they will behave and drive differently , like the Ferrari 2024 which, according to Cardile, " will be a different machine […] that solved the limitations of the SF-23 “