Sidepods in Formula 1 cars play a crucial role in aerodynamics. Without sidepods no Aerodynamics.I mean
sidepods manage airflow around the car, REDUCING DRAG and improving overall downforce. They just would be slow in corners.
Sidepods in Formula 1 cars play a crucial role in aerodynamics. Without sidepods no Aerodynamics.I mean
There are obviously benefits to slimming the sidepods down in theory. RB and Ferrari have acknowledged that they considered the idea but didn't go for it. Merc saw huge gains were possible in their tunnel. Clearly for this formula it's at the very least extremely difficult to extract this theoretical performance (if not impossible) but it's not been resolutely proven to be the case that it's not accessible - only that Merc werent able to do it.OnEcRiTiCaL wrote: ↑11 Jan 2024, 14:44Sidepods in Formula 1 cars play a crucial role in aerodynamics. Without sidepods no Aerodynamics.I mean
sidepods manage airflow around the car, REDUCING DRAG and improving overall downforce. They just would be slow in corners.
If Red Bull try the zero pod it will be on the Racing Bulls whom they now share the campus with.organic wrote: ↑11 Jan 2024, 14:53There are obviously benefits to slimming the sidepods down in theory. RB and Ferrari have acknowledged that they considered the idea but didn't go for it. Merc saw huge gains were possible in their tunnel. Clearly for this formula it's at the very least extremely difficult to extract this theoretical performance (if not impossible) but it's not been resolutely proven to be the case that it's not accessible - only that Merc werent able to do it.OnEcRiTiCaL wrote: ↑11 Jan 2024, 14:44Sidepods in Formula 1 cars play a crucial role in aerodynamics. Without sidepods no Aerodynamics.I mean
sidepods manage airflow around the car, REDUCING DRAG and improving overall downforce. They just would be slow in corners.
You can't simply conclude "they would be slow in the corners" because not even Merc were particularly. They had problems with consistency, car balance and drag. And how much of the 2023 car's faults can be tied to the sidepod decisions? According to Allison the zeropods were more emblematic of a team that struggled to find their feet in this regulation set not that they were their performance problems. Anytime a Merc team member has talked about the w14 it's almost entirely talked about in terms of incorrect decisions wrt ride height and operating window with which other teams were far more aggressive
Anyway to tie it back to the RB launch, I believe that what was meant is to launch the rb19 with zeropods on the 8th February as a pumpfake to bait other teams into considering it as a development path. An amusing idea
Exactly,why would you take a Risk if you are at the front? Red Bull will make some fine tuning for beter cornering but nothing serious. Don't know why people think about new concept or zero sidepod.FW17 wrote: ↑11 Jan 2024, 15:57If Red Bull try the zero pod it will be on the Racing Bulls whom they now share the campus with.organic wrote: ↑11 Jan 2024, 14:53There are obviously benefits to slimming the sidepods down in theory. RB and Ferrari have acknowledged that they considered the idea but didn't go for it. Merc saw huge gains were possible in their tunnel. Clearly for this formula it's at the very least extremely difficult to extract this theoretical performance (if not impossible) but it's not been resolutely proven to be the case that it's not accessible - only that Merc werent able to do it.OnEcRiTiCaL wrote: ↑11 Jan 2024, 14:44
Sidepods in Formula 1 cars play a crucial role in aerodynamics. Without sidepods no Aerodynamics.I mean
sidepods manage airflow around the car, REDUCING DRAG and improving overall downforce. They just would be slow in corners.
You can't simply conclude "they would be slow in the corners" because not even Merc were particularly. They had problems with consistency, car balance and drag. And how much of the 2023 car's faults can be tied to the sidepod decisions? According to Allison the zeropods were more emblematic of a team that struggled to find their feet in this regulation set not that they were their performance problems. Anytime a Merc team member has talked about the w14 it's almost entirely talked about in terms of incorrect decisions wrt ride height and operating window with which other teams were far more aggressive
Anyway to tie it back to the RB launch, I believe that what was meant is to launch the rb19 with zeropods on the 8th February as a pumpfake to bait other teams into considering it as a development path. An amusing idea
I do not think anyone would send resources to a solution they did not see excelling on track. It took long until teams followed the RedBull way. So fake does not do anything.organic wrote: ↑11 Jan 2024, 14:53There are obviously benefits to slimming the sidepods down in theory. RB and Ferrari have acknowledged that they considered the idea but didn't go for it. Merc saw huge gains were possible in their tunnel. Clearly for this formula it's at the very least extremely difficult to extract this theoretical performance (if not impossible) but it's not been resolutely proven to be the case that it's not accessible - only that Merc werent able to do it.OnEcRiTiCaL wrote: ↑11 Jan 2024, 14:44Sidepods in Formula 1 cars play a crucial role in aerodynamics. Without sidepods no Aerodynamics.I mean
sidepods manage airflow around the car, REDUCING DRAG and improving overall downforce. They just would be slow in corners.
You can't simply conclude "they would be slow in the corners" because not even Merc were particularly. They had problems with consistency, car balance and drag. And how much of the 2023 car's faults can be tied to the sidepod decisions? According to Allison the zeropods were more emblematic of a team that struggled to find their feet in this regulation set not that they were their performance problems. Anytime a Merc team member has talked about the w14 it's almost entirely talked about in terms of incorrect decisions wrt ride height and operating window with which other teams were far more aggressive
Anyway to tie it back to the RB launch, I believe that what was meant is to launch the rb19 with zeropods on the 8th February as a pumpfake to bait other teams into considering it as a development path. An amusing idea
Closer, not sharing..
Waché implying that RB aren't hitting diminishing returns yetI would say that domination also depends on the other teams. [...] I don't want to put pressure on others... We've done a good job, but we still have a lot of room for improvement, I'd say.
Maybe the others have made a few mistakes in the development.
When you look at MCL's development and how close they are to us, with their pretty poor start to the season, maybe those others [Ferrari and Mercedes] haven't developed properly.
At some point at least 4 teams ran the sidepod crease. So to suggest that it was the silver bullet to their efficiency does not line up with reality. I think it is very clear that RB have built a well rounded car that does many thigns right.PhF1x wrote: ↑17 Jan 2024, 20:31Can anyone do a simple CFD simulation on the redbull sidepods in a high speed corner compared to the "waterslides"?
I have a nagging feeling that the reason redbull stuck with them is because the crease right behind the mirror is channelling air down and reducing drag by the interaction with the rear outside tyre. The mirror stand also seems to play a part in this.