Ferrari SF-24 speculation

[scuderiabrandon]

Fomu1auno also mentions something never used before around the Halo

That's just new geometry for the flow conditioners also seen in Barcelona and later.

I don't think they'd mention it if it were not something "different" than what we've seen before

[Vanja #66]

I don't think they'd mention it if it were not something "different" than what we've seen before

Every external part on that car will be "different" than what SF-23 had. The rules don't allow anything big in that area, just a few small flow conditioning surfaces.

[scuderiabrandon]

I don't think they'd mention it if it were not something "different" than what we've seen before

Every external part on that car will be "different" than what SF-23 had. The rules don't allow anything big in that area, just a few small flow conditioning surfaces.

I meant different as in a solution we haven't seen before at any point

[101FlyingDutchman]

I don't think they'd mention it if it were not something "different" than what we've seen before

Every external part on that car will be "different" than what SF-23 had. The rules don't allow anything big in that area, just a few small flow conditioning surfaces.

I meant different as in a solution we haven't seen before at any point

Is there a way of perhaps having some sort of floating cape that sends the airflow down towards the beam wing? Slowly flaring down and out?

[KimiRai]

Ferrari, project 676: gentler 'drop', less discontinuous trailing edge on front wing
https://www.funoanalisitecnica.com/2024 ... front.html

(translated) For this simple reason we can imagine that in Ferrari's latest aero-mechanical engineering work of 2024, the main plane of the front end specification will not be so different because it has already undergone much re-evaluation over the past year. While as for the third and fourth flaps we will definitely see a major update. This will align the philosophy of the Italian single-seater with the current trend, with a gentler drop and a trailing edge of the front wing with less discontinuity.

[Vinlarr89]

Massively surprised that the s duct will be retained on sf24. Anyone got a view on how that will interact with a large undercut? Hope this car goes far enough in terms of design

[organic]

Massively surprised that the s duct will be retained on sf24. Anyone got a view on how that will interact with a large undercut? Hope this car goes far enough in terms of design

My thoughts are a higher and further rearward outlet. Looking at the regulatory volumes as drawn up by kyle.engineers in his sf-23 analysis video, it seems that the s-duct could vent onto the engine cover cannon in an area which is already managing cockpit and louver losses. The S-duct's purpose is to remove the chassis losses that build up and improve the flow in the undercut so it should still provide this benefit to a sidepod concept with a larger undercut etc

[Vinlarr89]

Thanks for clearing that up. Obviously all a wait and see game. I wasn’t sure the regulatory volumes would allow it that high and rear, but makes sense.

[KimiRai]

[keep in mind its a translation]
Ferrari: recap of information from @formu1a__uno via Twitch:

- The transfer window = Vasseur had promised that he would make a major buying spree without disclosing the names of the engineers. Here, some engineers from Red Bull and Alpha Tauri arrived in January thanks to the Mekies swap. Vasseur gave confidence to Cardile and his men while wanting to add more and more new engineers to the group.

- Vasseur has concentrated on strengthening the departments where they are a little further back: performance, simulation and tyres. These new engineers will bring a new way of working, new methods and new knowledge. Vasseur has a very clear vision of Gestione Sportiva and what it takes to improve.

- Loïc Serra's team will focus in particular on the car of 2025, but also and above all on the car of 2026. Loïc Serra is the equivalent of Pierre Waché at RB (chassis, vehicle dynamics, tyres, suspension). Loïc Serra has always driven cars for Mercedes and has excellent tyre management skills, a profile that was lacking at Ferrari and he should fit in well with the group and play an important role.

- Enrico Cardile is the Technical Director, Diego Tondi is the Head of Aerodynamics and Loïc Serra will complete the trio. It is this trio that will have the task of producing the cars at Ferrari from a design point of view.

- Since the arrival of Vasseur, Ferrari has been concentrating more on Charles Leclerc, under the direction of the Monegasque driver. Ferrari needs a reference point like Leclerc, especially now. The slowdown in the renewal of Sainz's contract is more on Ferrari's side than Sainz's. Ferrari is looking at the driver market, at profiles like Norris for example. Ferrari would have no problem finding a good replacement for Sainz. The intention is to continue with Sainz but the absolute priority now is to build around Charles Leclerc.

- Ferrari 2024 = the top part of the car will be very different. It's one of the parts that will undergo the most changes, along with the rear end. Major aerodynamic work on the upper part. The engine cover will be very different, as will the bodywork.

- Ferrari has worked enormously on the rear of the car. Not just the pontoons, but also the diffuser, beam wing, pontoons [wrong translation?] and floor. It's all a question of aerodynamics. Ferrari is going to change a lot in terms of the car and its philosophy compared to the last two years. The chassis in particular will be completely new.

[gordonthegun]

https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-fe ... /10568864/

Translation by Google Translate:

"Formula 1 Latest news
F1 | Ferrari: assembly of the 676 begins, then the bench tests
The first example of the 2024 single-seater is being assembled in the Gestion Sportiva. At the beginning of February there should be a "fire up" of the complete car which will be followed by simulations on the dynamic bench, where the new red will be subjected to hard work cycles to verify its reliability and compliance with the project data before its debut on track on February 13th.

Author Franco Nugnes
Updated Jan 25, 2024, 2.11pm

Assembly of the 676 began a few days ago at the Gestion Sportiva assembly department. Around the new bodywork, assembly of the first red 2024 model began: a puzzle of small and large parts which should be completed at the beginning of the month of February for the traditional "fire-up", i.e. the start-up of the power unit, once the car has been completed in every detail.

The installation phase, especially of the first car, is followed with great attention because it allows to discover the assembly times of the individual parts, given that the project, as announced by Fred Vasseur, has changed 95% compared to to the SF-23.

During the design phase, in fact, the chief designer, Fabio Montecchi, and his collaborators look for the solution capable of giving maximum performance, but also good intervention functionality that allows rapid replacements in the garages, should the need arise. This is one of the reasons that pushed Enrico Cardile's staff to maintain the push rod layout of the front suspension: having the internal mechanisms in the upper part allows the mechanics to carry out all the set up adjustments in a decidedly shorter time.

In fact, in the Scuderia's schedule, there is the idea of ​​taking the 676 to the dynamic bench around February 2nd or 3rd, where the red car will be subjected to very tough work cycles to verify its behaviour. This is a cell in which the entire car can be housed to start an important, yet sophisticated, simulation plan.

A commitment of about ten days is expected, just in time to decide on the red for February 13, when Charles Leclerc and Carlos Sainz will alternate behind the wheel on the Fiorano track for the 15 kilometers that the FIA ​​authorizes for the "baptism" of an F1. As we have already had the opportunity to underline, in Maranello they have chosen to make a "cold" presentation: the launch will take place via the web, without media (neither television, nor journalists) and without a show.

In Maranello they prefer substance to... cinema, counting on letting the results do the talking. The presentation with great fanfare, however, would have interrupted a feverish work plan: the tests on the dynamic bench, in fact, will be followed by the shakedown on 13 February and, therefore, there will be the first filming day with the possibility of evaluating the 676 in a 200 km session (double as in the past) which will alternate commercial filming with the first real functional test with the two drivers who will be able to complete 33 laps each.

The dynamic test bench will provide the first important answers on the 2024 car: the car will be subjected to durations to verify the reliability of all systems even when pressures and temperatures vary. The technicians, therefore, will have the opportunity to look for the strengths and possible weaknesses in a season that will require 24 GPs.

Ferrari seems to want to set up the longest championship in history with four power units, accepting the idea of ​​going to a penalty in a race decided on the table, rather than allocating resources to extend the life of an engine which in 2023 brilliantly surpassed the obstacle of the 22 races without breakages."

[Vanja #66]

"2024 Ferrari F1 car: Marc Genè gives verdict"

https://scuderiafans.com/2024-ferrari-f ... -simulato/

“Optimism? All we can say is what the simulator tells us and the drivers’ feelings in the simulator,” stated the former driver, now an ambassador for the Maranello team, in an interview with Mundo Deportivo.

“The track, in any case, is what matters and is the final judge. But it is true that last year at this point, we were not entirely convinced by the car based on what the simulator was telling us. This year the feelings are very different.”

However, Marc Genè prefers not to make grand pronouncements and waits for the first shakedown to draw initial conclusions: “We still have to wait to see the car on the track, which will happen on February 13, and then the pre-season tests in Bahrain.”

Not much, just a confirmation of what was already said a while ago.

[Xyz22]

"2024 Ferrari F1 car: Marc Genè gives verdict"

https://scuderiafans.com/2024-ferrari-f ... -simulato/

“Optimism? All we can say is what the simulator tells us and the drivers’ feelings in the simulator,” stated the former driver, now an ambassador for the Maranello team, in an interview with Mundo Deportivo.

“The track, in any case, is what matters and is the final judge. But it is true that last year at this point, we were not entirely convinced by the car based on what the simulator was telling us. This year the feelings are very different.”

However, Marc Genè prefers not to make grand pronouncements and waits for the first shakedown to draw initial conclusions: “We still have to wait to see the car on the track, which will happen on February 13, and then the pre-season tests in Bahrain.”

Not much, just a confirmation of what was already said a while ago.

Yeah, Vasseur said the same at the end of the season, specifically that the car never "worked" already in the sim with Leclerc usual setup.
This is what i don't understand, though. Why the mega bullish approach before the start of the season then? Quite puzzling.

[CouncilorIrissa]

"2024 Ferrari F1 car: Marc Genè gives verdict"

https://scuderiafans.com/2024-ferrari-f ... -simulato/

“Optimism? All we can say is what the simulator tells us and the drivers’ feelings in the simulator,” stated the former driver, now an ambassador for the Maranello team, in an interview with Mundo Deportivo.

“The track, in any case, is what matters and is the final judge. But it is true that last year at this point, we were not entirely convinced by the car based on what the simulator was telling us. This year the feelings are very different.”

However, Marc Genè prefers not to make grand pronouncements and waits for the first shakedown to draw initial conclusions: “We still have to wait to see the car on the track, which will happen on February 13, and then the pre-season tests in Bahrain.”

Not much, just a confirmation of what was already said a while ago.

Yeah, Vasseur said the same at the end of the season, specifically that the car never "worked" already in the sim with Leclerc usual setup.
This is what i don't understand, though. Why the mega bullish approach before the start of the season then? Quite puzzling.

Wasn’t it only Vigna who was bullish about the car?

[Xyz22]

"2024 Ferrari F1 car: Marc Genè gives verdict"

https://scuderiafans.com/2024-ferrari-f ... -simulato/




Not much, just a confirmation of what was already said a while ago.

Yeah, Vasseur said the same at the end of the season, specifically that the car never "worked" already in the sim with Leclerc usual setup.
This is what i don't understand, though. Why the mega bullish approach before the start of the season then? Quite puzzling.

Wasn’t it only Vigna who was bullish about the car?

Yeah, but someone must have told him something. Moreover, we also had bullish reports on the car supposed improved performance over the F1 75. Clearly they didn't expect some issues like the comeback of porpoising. The initial spec of the SF 23 was a complete disaster. I made an analysis of the first stint race pace compared to the F1 75 in Bahrain and the SF 23 was almost slower

[CouncilorIrissa]

Yeah, Vasseur said the same at the end of the season, specifically that the car never "worked" already in the sim with Leclerc usual setup.
This is what i don't understand, though. Why the mega bullish approach before the start of the season then? Quite puzzling.

Wasn’t it only Vigna who was bullish about the car?

Yeah, but someone must have told him something. Moreover, we also had bullish reports on the car supposed improved performance over the F1 75. Clearly they didn't expect some issues like the comeback of porpoising. The initial spec of the SF 23 was a complete disaster. I made an analysis of the first stint race pace compared to the F1 75 in Bahrain and the SF 23 was almost slower

Probably a certain someone who’s no longer working there, who was also pictured answering less than comfortable questions from Charles