Silly season 2024-2025

[taperoo2k]

My view is that Lewis couldn't wait til after testing as the get-out clause probably has an expiry date. So needed to happen before 2024 season began

I doubt the exit clause has an expiry date this early. I think it was likely more to do with Ferrari having the back up
option of signing Sainz to a new deal. With a dash of "Now or Never".

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My view is that Lewis couldn't wait til after testing as the get-out clause probably has an expiry date. So needed to happen before 2024 season began

I doubt the exit clause has an expiry date this early. I think it was likely to do with Ferrari having the back up
option of signing Sainz to a new deal. With a dash of "Now or Never".

That makes more sense yes

[UlleGulle]

If they delayed this any longer they run the risk of Sainz walking and not having a Hamilton deal to show for it.

I don't agree. Sainz has nowhere to walk. But then again, here I am applying reason and logic on Ferrari. Never worked before.

[Cs98]

If they delayed this any longer they run the risk of Sainz walking and not having a Hamilton deal to show for it.

I don't agree. Sainz has nowhere to walk. But then again, here I am applying reason and logic on Ferrari. Never worked before.

Yeah he does. If it's obvious he doesn't have a future with Ferrari he'd be a first option for several teams on the grid.

[Redragon]

There is slim to no chance of Alonso to Mercedes. It took more than 13-15 years for Alonso to even drive a Mercedes powered car. The Mercedes management weren't too happy with their share of the $100 million fine in the spygate saga.
It has always been a sore spot for them. Unless something has drastically changed.

They cheated and got caught. They knew what would be the consequences, it is not Alonso fault. Brawn tried to sign Alonso in 2009 that he turned down and that car had a Mercedes engine

Alonso(and pdlr) was found with Ferrari technical info in his emails,with Ferrari tire pressurs and fuel stop laps. The car technical dossier never made it into McLaren because it was never meant for McLaren, it was meant for Stepney and Coughlan to take to Toyota or Honda.

McLaren didn't cheat, Alonso did, but McLaren paid the price. Get your facts correct.

"At the hearing on 26 July 2007, FIA found that Vodafone McLaren-Mercedes was in possession of confidential Ferrari information and is therefore in breach of the Code, but with no evidence that they had used the information no punishment was levied. However, the FIA reserved the right to reconvene on the matter if any such evidence subsequently came to light." From Wikipedia.

They did have the information but no evidence that they used that's why they were penalised. Get your facts right too.

Alonso probably should have been penilised too as PDLR

Anyway my point is Brawn try to sign Alonso in 2009 with a Mercedes engine so it is not really true that Mercedes have been boycoyting the signing of Alonso because they pay the price of the Spygate

[UlleGulle]

Yeah he does. If it's obvious he doesn't have a future with Ferrari he'd be a first option for several teams on the grid.

Red Bull - Nope - to much history
Mercedes - Nope - would not trade their thought lineup
McLaren - Nope - Has their talent locked up.
Aston Stroll - not likely - Spain is to small of a market to support two drivers in the same team.
Alpine - perhaps - He's a better driver than they are a team. But that's a step back.
Williams - surely - But would he walk for a seat in a Williams?
Minardi - nope - it's about raising talent for RB.
Stakes - surely - But would he walk for a seat at the far end of the grid?
Haas - surely - But Sainz is not mad.

[djos]

There have been rumours of Carlos going to Audi for quite a while. He’s certainly a much better driver that their two current mid level pilots!

[ENGINE TUNER]

They cheated and got caught. They knew what would be the consequences, it is not Alonso fault. Brawn tried to sign Alonso in 2009 that he turned down and that car had a Mercedes engine

Alonso(and pdlr) was found with Ferrari technical info in his emails,with Ferrari tire pressurs and fuel stop laps. The car technical dossier never made it into McLaren because it was never meant for McLaren, it was meant for Stepney and Coughlan to take to Toyota or Honda.

McLaren didn't cheat, Alonso did, but McLaren paid the price. Get your facts correct.

"At the hearing on 26 July 2007, FIA found that Vodafone McLaren-Mercedes was in possession of confidential Ferrari information and is therefore in breach of the Code, but with no evidence that they had used the information no punishment was levied. However, the FIA reserved the right to reconvene on the matter if any such evidence subsequently came to light." From Wikipedia.

They did have the information but no evidence that they used that's why they were penalised. Get your facts right too.

Alonso probably should have been penilised too as PDLR

Anyway my point is Brawn try to sign Alonso in 2009 with a Mercedes engine so it is not really true that Mercedes have been boycoyting the signing of Alonso because they pay the price of the Spygate

That information was the whistleblowing of Stepney on the illegal floor of the Ferrari in Australia, not the Ferrari Dossier. There was never any proof that any McLaren employee other than Coughlan, Alonso and Pdlr ever came into contact with any Ferrari information.

I don't remember Brawn trying to sign Alonso for 2009, but it is possible, but that Merc engine deal happened quite late.

[UlleGulle]

There have been rumours of Carlos going to Audi for quite a while. He’s certainly a much better driver that their two current mid level pilots!

Certainly he is. Sainz is a very good driver.

[ENGINE TUNER]

There have been rumours of Carlos going to Audi for quite a while. He’s certainly a much better driver that their two current mid level pilots!

Certainly he is. Sainz is a very good driver.

Good, not very good, certainly not a top 5 driver on the current grid.

[ENGINE TUNER]

There have been rumours of Carlos going to Audi for quite a while. He’s certainly a much better driver that their two current mid level pilots!

Bottas is better than Sainz, hands down.

[Redragon]

Alonso(and pdlr) was found with Ferrari technical info in his emails,with Ferrari tire pressurs and fuel stop laps. The car technical dossier never made it into McLaren because it was never meant for McLaren, it was meant for Stepney and Coughlan to take to Toyota or Honda.

McLaren didn't cheat, Alonso did, but McLaren paid the price. Get your facts correct.

"At the hearing on 26 July 2007, FIA found that Vodafone McLaren-Mercedes was in possession of confidential Ferrari information and is therefore in breach of the Code, but with no evidence that they had used the information no punishment was levied. However, the FIA reserved the right to reconvene on the matter if any such evidence subsequently came to light." From Wikipedia.

They did have the information but no evidence that they used that's why they were penalised. Get your facts right too.

Alonso probably should have been penilised too as PDLR

Anyway my point is Brawn try to sign Alonso in 2009 with a Mercedes engine so it is not really true that Mercedes have been boycoyting the signing of Alonso because they pay the price of the Spygate

That information was the whistleblowing of Stepney on the illegal floor of the Ferrari in Australia, not the Ferrari Dossier. There was never any proof that any McLaren employee other than Coughlan, Alonso and Pdlr ever came into contact with any Ferrari information.

I don't remember Brawn trying to sign Alonso for 2009, but it is possible, but that Merc engine deal happened quite late.

Nick Fry did say they try to sing him for 2009
https://www.gptoday.net/en/news/f1/2277 ... 009-season

[Tiny73]

One interesting question the guys at P1 raised was the timing. Why now? Why not wait until at least after the tests?

I posted this on the Mercedes thread but it may bear repeating; Ferrari trade on the NYSE and this is price sensitive information, hence needs to be announced.

[TMLM]

Yeah he does. If it's obvious he doesn't have a future with Ferrari he'd be a first option for several teams on the grid.

Red Bull - Nope - to much history
Mercedes - Nope - would not trade their thought lineup
McLaren - Nope - Has their talent locked up.
Aston Stroll - not likely - Spain is to small of a market to support two drivers in the same team.
Alpine - perhaps - He's a better driver than they are a team. But that's a step back.
Williams - surely - But would he walk for a seat in a Williams?
Minardi - nope - it's about raising talent for RB.
Stakes - surely - But would he walk for a seat at the far end of the grid?
Haas - surely - But Sainz is not mad.

Who do you think Mercedes even has as a replacement? Antonelli? Even jumping to F1 in 2025 is a long shot for him, nevermind joining Mercedes straight up. Sainz is up there with the best free agents along with Gasly, Albon is overrated. Don't think Mercedes/Toto would go for Alonso next to Russell but who knows.

[Zynerji]

Hamilton to Ferrari
Carlos to RBR
Ricciardo to Mercedes
Lawson to VCARB