2024 Oracle Red Bull Racing F1 Team

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AR3-GP wrote:
01 Feb 2024, 18:09
What if this "Adrian is going to be working on the RB17" was a cover for gardening leave.

Surely not. :lol:
Active suspension. Is that going to be allowed back in future regs. I always wonder about this sort of stuff feeding back into F1. The teams know what they are doing.

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Peter Windsor:
"As I understand it, [Albon] has been offered a 3-year contract to start in 2025." [...] "equally, that's as I understand it. it's not 100%; it's probably 90% I think."

From his livestream (about 40seconds in):


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I like the offseason that RB has had. Quiet and not too much fuss. Everything seems to be about Ferrari and who Ferrari recruited at the moment but Ferrari is not the only team recruiting good staff. They just have the most active journalist and leak the most information. I'm sure that RB are not allowing themselves to be complacent.
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I think Red Bull Racing are just in a really good stable period where they year-on-year improve upon a fundamentally good base car. RB18-19-20-21 just like RB6-7-8-9, while simultaneously enjoying having a driver in his prime. Meanwhile a lot of focus will be on 2026 especially with Red Bull Powertrains. The only negative is their 2nd driver. They're stuck with a hopeless situation for another year and nothing in place for 2025. Bit too loyal towards Perez and too depending on Ricciardo finding his mojo. If they want Albon they've should've hired him months ago, preferably for the 2024 season.

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I'll be shocked if Albon returns to be honest.

It still is a BIG question over the #2 seat come 2025. Sainz will drop into Audi I think, which doesnt really leave much for Red Bull, especially given Perez has hinted he wants more family time in previous years. Danny Ric has a big mountain to climb - but I guess if he is performing well in the AT (or whatever the name is now) then RB will know how he would do in the RB team. Nyck de vries was tried and tested, and not good enough, Yuki is still a big question mark, and I dont think he is RB driver material.

Norris would be my choice - and I guess in this state of contracts - just throw enough money at someone and they will likely move.
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Albon would very much take a second chance to have a shot at winning, that's a given. It's either him or Ric, I don't think anyone else who RB would be interested in would go there, they know where they would come and what would await them there...
And they call it a stall. A STALL!

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The Albon thing is apparently based only on a rumor.
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ME4ME wrote:
03 Feb 2024, 17:18
If they want Albon they've should've hired him months ago, preferably for the 2024 season.
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Albon had a contract at Williams until the end of '25. Now it seems they will let him go after this '24 saison.
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17 Oct 2023
As Formula 1’s rumour mill debates Sergio Perez’s replacement, Helmut Marko says “unfortunately” Alex Albon cannot be on the list of candidates due to his long-term Williams contract.

“He was actually doing quite well until he was turned around twice by Hamilton, in a victorious position in Austria, and that got on his nerves a bit,” Marko is quoted by Motorsport-Total as having told the press in Qatar.

Asked if Albon could rejoin Red Bull, the motorsport advisor replied: “It gets brought up a lot, but unfortunately Albon signed a long-term contract and won’t be on the market until probably 2026.”

“He has improved remarkably since then, but at the moment there is no driver who is on Max’s level.”
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AR3-GP wrote:
03 Feb 2024, 17:40
The Albon thing is apparently based only on a rumor.
Maybe you can explane? What rumor?
I saw Windsor saying it.
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Wouter wrote:
03 Feb 2024, 17:47
Maybe you can explane? What rumor?
I saw Windsor saying it.
Windsor might still have his Williams connections, but I don't find him a credible source either.

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CaribouBread wrote:
Wouter wrote:
03 Feb 2024, 17:47
Maybe you can explane? What rumor?
I saw Windsor saying it.
Windsor might still have his Williams connections, but I don't find him a credible source either.
Windsor said that RB offered albon a contract, which he is 90% sure off.

Now if I was RB, and I woke up to the Hamilton Ferrari news, I would most definitely go offer him a contract again before Mercedes does.

Contracts can be broken, so I don't see that as blocker.

That said, we will only know when something is officially announced.

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Wouter wrote:
03 Feb 2024, 17:45
Albon had a contract at Williams until the end of '25. Now it seems they will let him go after this '24 saison.
Probably means that 2025 always merely was an option on Albons side.

My point is, if Red Bull indeed saw Albon as their next driver they should've pulled the trigger and bought him out of his Williams contract and got him for 2024. Mercedes did the same with Bottas. Williams is years away from being competitive, they don't have the moral highground to stand in a young drivers way to become successful.

But of course that is expensive for Red Bull. It's also expensive to terminate Perez and potentially lose some sponsors. But maybe they should've spend that money instead of saving it. Ferrari is certainly spending their way to success. Although that's for 2025, not 2024.

Red Bull will likely think Perez is good enough for 24 because Verstappen will deliver the championships on his own. They also have major funds already going to Powertrains and VCARB, so they might not want to further increase that expenditure. But at least they could've used 2024 to let Albon get accustomed to the pressure of racing at the front again, against proper rivals.

Now it seems Red Bull is at a crossroad where they need to decide quickly if they want to sign Albon for 2025 before a rival team does, or indeed hope for Ricciardo to redeem himself. Either way its not very bold, not very decisive.

But then again, maybe the figure they mustn't be decisive as long as they have the best car and Max. Plenty of pennies saved if Ricciardo does come good. Or if Albon isn't signed by a rival in front of their eyes. But AR3-GP was mentioning complacency and I think the risk Red Bull is taking less than inspiring. They might end up with a situation where Mercedes signs Albon and Ricciardo doesn't deliver. Then what?

As a fan I would've loved them to be more bold and most of all get rid of Perez :lol:

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As per Motorsport.com, Max has rated his top 10 wins
1. COTA 2021
2. Spa 2022
3. Suzuka 2023
4. Mexico 2021
5. Miami 2023
6. Sepang 2017
7. Austria 2021
8. 70th Anniversary 2020
9. Austria 2019
10. Abu Dhabi 2020

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organic wrote:
03 Feb 2024, 21:15
As per Motorsport.com, Max has rated his top 10 wins
1. COTA 2021
2. Spa 2022
3. Suzuka 2023
4. Mexico 2021
5. Miami 2023
6. Sepang 2017
7. Austria 2021
8. 70th Anniversary 2020
9. Austria 2019
10. Abu Dhabi 2020
Not true to say he rated his top 10 wins. They selected the ten and he reordered them. He rated these 10 wins in an order at most.