Depends on the circumstance. If it's warranted or perceived as unfair/political.chrisc90 wrote: ↑06 Feb 2024, 12:57I think of RB got rid of Horner, it would be the worse decision I’ve ever seen.
The way he has built the team is just unrivalled.
RB also have to consider who else goes at the same time. Newey? Max? Etc?
Like the Lewis leaving, he leaves with more than just himself
You are twisting my words. I did not say anything about it being true. I just said that the speculations are not unwarranted as the MOD was stating. And they have been confirmed by reputed sources unlike the case with previous incident where the source was shady magazine. So people are not to blame for discussing it. They are within the bounds of what is said in the statement. I won't be responding to you any further.Cs98 wrote: ↑06 Feb 2024, 12:58So now we're interpreting that as true because you've assumed they didn't object, or that no objection means it is true? Just more speculation.bagajohny wrote: ↑06 Feb 2024, 12:24Well the term is mentioned in the same article in which the official statement is published. So RB did not object to the term being used.Cs98 wrote: ↑06 Feb 2024, 12:10Well yes they are, the term "transgressive behaviour" didn't even come from the RB spokesperson. They said
So we know there have been allegations and that there is an investigation. Good, let's wait and see what the results of that investigation are before speculating on the specifics of what happened. Anything else would be putting the cart before the horse.
Yeah well no one is accusing Horner of "murder" since the term does not cover it. So no, it could not be literally anything.Not to mention. In that definition you published of "transgressive behaviour". It literally says it covers "every form of unwanted behaviour". So if that is what it is it could literally be anything, so again, inappropriate to make up a story in the absence of evidence.
Okay, we've narrowed it down from anything to "any unwanted behaviour", now we can freely speculate and make up any story that fits under "any unwanted behaviour"Complete lunacy.
Yeah especially at this point of time when they are strong contenders to win two more seasons. It does not make any sense to shake the boat now (assuming it was done to get rid of Horner).chrisc90 wrote: ↑06 Feb 2024, 12:57I think of RB got rid of Horner, it would be the worse decision I’ve ever seen.
The way he has built the team is just unrivalled.
RB also have to consider who else goes at the same time. Newey? Max? Etc?
Like the Lewis leaving, he leaves with more than just himself
Sorry but the nature of the allegations haven't been confirmed by anyone. All we know is RB saying there has been an allegation and there is an investigation opened into it, sort of like when the FIA opened an investigation into the "previous incident", rampant speculation at that point was also very inappropriate (as we later saw too). And I am not twisting any words, you posted the definition of that term and then tried to use it to justify rampant speculation when it could involve almost any type of behaviour.bagajohny wrote: ↑06 Feb 2024, 13:05You are twisting my words. I did not say anything about it being true. I just said that the speculations are not unwarranted as the MOD was stating. And they have been confirmed by reputed sources unlike the case with previous incident where the source was shady magazine. So people are not to blame for discussing it. They are within the bounds of what is said in the statement. I won't be responding to you any further.Cs98 wrote: ↑06 Feb 2024, 12:58So now we're interpreting that as true because you've assumed they didn't object, or that no objection means it is true? Just more speculation.
Okay, we've narrowed it down from anything to "any unwanted behaviour", now we can freely speculate and make up any story that fits under "any unwanted behaviour"
You tried to use the lack of an objection (something we don't even know) as confirmation that RB would agree with the term "transgressive behaviour". They might, but that is not confirmed yet, we don't have enough information.I did not say anything about it being true
Auto Motor Und SportAccording to information from auto motor und sport, there is supposed to be an interrogation of the parties involved in England on Friday. If the external investigators conclude that the compliance allegations make continued employment impossible, Red Bull will have to quickly look for a new team principal. With Mattia Binotto, Otmar Szafnauer, and Guenther Steiner, several prominent candidates with past experience as team principals would currently be available on the market.
An internal solution is also possible, of course. In this case, team manager Jonathan Wheatley would likely be the first candidate. Red Bull should resolve the issue quickly now. The official presentation of the new RB20 race car is scheduled for next Thursday (15.2.). The launch event should not be overshadowed by the pending proceedings against the team principal. One week later, the first test drives will already begin in Bahrain.
Currently, Horner is still conducting business as usual. On Monday, the boss of Max Verstappen participated in the meeting of the F1 Commission in London.
It makes sense as the team thread is being stormed by speculations. We don't know if this matter is going to be resolved in days, weeks or months. We have car launch and other stuff coming up in a week. So instead of getting the team thread muddled with everything, let this topic run it's course separately.
Toto/Susie got one: viewtopic.php?t=31441
Source - https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/for ... an-horner/According to information from auto motor und sport, there should be a survey of those involved in England on Friday. If the external investigators come to the conclusion that the compliance allegations make it impossible to continue working, Red Bull has to look for a new team boss at short notice. With Mattia Binotto, Otmar Szafnauer and Günther Steiner, several prominent candidates with a team boss past would currently be available on the market.
I get that it'll warrant a few more words from those who have not yet thrown their tuppence inAR3-GP wrote: ↑06 Feb 2024, 14:13Toto/Susie got one: viewtopic.php?t=31441
I think it makes sense to have a different place for the speculations. Will Horner be sacked? Will Adrian Newey go to Ferrari? Has the fall cometh for RB? For anyone interested in this kind of thing, we should have a place for it.
Yes - as per my note above.mendis wrote: ↑06 Feb 2024, 14:12It makes sense as the team thread is being stormed by speculations. We don't know if this matter is going to be resolved in days, weeks or months. We have car launch and other stuff coming up in a week. So instead of getting the team thread muddled with everything, let this topic run it's course separately.
according to AMUS friday we have the verdictmendis wrote: ↑06 Feb 2024, 14:12It makes sense as the team thread is being stormed by speculations. We don't know if this matter is going to be resolved in days, weeks or months. We have car launch and other stuff coming up in a week. So instead of getting the team thread muddled with everything, let this topic run it's course separately.
