Indeed.
Just want to flex my prediction from last year though:
Quite on the money
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No. It's the Ferrari team thread after all.
No. During pre-season testing we will see: "It is just pre-season test, lap times aren't relevant, we don't know fuel load and what test setup teams use. Let's wait for the first race." But after Bahrain it will be: "It's only the first race, what do you want, let's wait for the 1/3 of the season'"
Well, the aerodynamic "experts" who have read an article or two about why the RB19 is so good have decided that Ferrari did not do enough and the car is too basic. The season is already over, the RB20 will lap 5 seconds faster than everyone else and Ferrari will dissolve the racing team.
You can pretty much discard any "technical" article from "experts". KYLE.ENGINEERS said in one of his videos last year that these cars are so complex it's practically impossible to tell how it's going to perform without CFD even for an engineer. The best you can do is to get a general idea of what the team is trying to achieve, but that's about it.SoulPancake13 wrote: ↑13 Feb 2024, 20:14Well, the aerodynamic "experts" who have read an article or two about why the RB19 is so good have decided that Ferrari did not do enough and the car is too basic. The season is already over, the RB20 will lap 5 seconds faster than everyone else and Ferrari will dissolve the racing team.
I get I am being overly hyperbolic but I feel like the exact reason why Ferrari didn't want to do an entire huge reveal was to avoid the other end of the extreme. The team works determinedly to put out the fastest car possible, they did a great job in the second half of last season rectifying the mistakes of the previous era. I feel we owe the team some calm before the first real laps are underway. We don't have to come to conclusions from some renders and a video from afar in Fiorano where they are going 60% of the speed in a real race. This goes to both the doomsday specialists and those who overhype every little thing.
Hopefully last year's start sobered everyone up. It's a long season. If the car is trash in testing, it is what it is.Xyz22 wrote: ↑13 Feb 2024, 19:57On this I completely agree.JPower wrote: ↑13 Feb 2024, 19:52Exactly.chrstphrln wrote: ↑13 Feb 2024, 19:18It's a bit funny how the Ferrari is described here as outdated, basic or not very developed.
He hasn't driven a meter at the limit yet, nobody knows his potential.
According to engineers and drivers, it is a significant improvement on its predecessor, which was the best car in the field after Red Bull towards the end of the season.
Maybe we'd rather analyze track times rather than fashion value?
Here's the thing, Ferrari fans and management like wow and flash even if they don't like to admit it. Every Ferrari TP caved into this which often came with grand proclamations and threw Ferrari down dead end pathways. The F1 media will call it boring, slow, and conservative which will get the tifosi antsy. Time to ignore them for once.
I'm happy for Ferrari to be the conservative one this time and just focus on the basics. I thought the SF21 was a good example of that. Given the SF-24 is born of a much better starting point, we might see some good come out of this approach.
Just let's remember to remain objective while making analysis on lap times during testing. Last year i was a bit on the pessimistic side and wasn't very fun posting here
Credit where credit is due.Xyz22 wrote: ↑13 Feb 2024, 20:08Indeed.
Just want to flex my prediction from last year though:
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Quite on the money
.. looking forward to your new prediction.It isn't so much that Ferrari built a bad car to me. The car looks very similar to previous RB incarnations and from 2022 and 2023, that is clearly a productive way to go. The question is whether a car that looks like an older RB, will be able to compete with the newest RB. That's where I come up a bit disappointed. Logic says this is not possible. The car seems like a pre-Hungarian GP RB19.SoulPancake13 wrote: ↑13 Feb 2024, 20:14Well, the aerodynamic "experts" who have read an article or two about why the RB19 is so good have decided that Ferrari did not do enough and the car is too basic. The season is already over, the RB20 will lap 5 seconds faster than everyone else and Ferrari will dissolve the racing team.
It can look like RB1 for all that matters. I don't even expect them to win WCC nor WDC, I'd be happy with them being competitive in each race and maybe slide in a few wins. Before anyone can know what kind of work they did we need to see the lap times, after that we can fire the whole team.AR3-GP wrote: ↑13 Feb 2024, 20:54It isn't so much that Ferrari built a bad car to me. The car looks very similar to previous RB incarnations and from 2022 and 2023, that is clearly a productive way to go. The question is whether a car that looks like an older RB, will be able to compete with the newest RB. That's where I come up a bit disappointed. Logic says this is not possible.SoulPancake13 wrote: ↑13 Feb 2024, 20:14Well, the aerodynamic "experts" who have read an article or two about why the RB19 is so good have decided that Ferrari did not do enough and the car is too basic. The season is already over, the RB20 will lap 5 seconds faster than everyone else and Ferrari will dissolve the racing team.
While i agree with you we should also not forget that maybe Ferrari has been able to keep some of the good characteristics of the SF 23, i.e. braking and traction which were really strong points when the drivers were able to push.AR3-GP wrote: ↑13 Feb 2024, 20:54It isn't so much that Ferrari built a bad car to me. The car looks very similar to previous RB incarnations and from 2022 and 2023, that is clearly a productive way to go. The question is whether a car that looks like an older RB, will be able to compete with the newest RB. That's where I come up a bit disappointed. Logic says this is not possible. The car seems like a pre-Hungarian GP RB19.SoulPancake13 wrote: ↑13 Feb 2024, 20:14Well, the aerodynamic "experts" who have read an article or two about why the RB19 is so good have decided that Ferrari did not do enough and the car is too basic. The season is already over, the RB20 will lap 5 seconds faster than everyone else and Ferrari will dissolve the racing team.