Mercedes W15

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Xyz22
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Re: Mercedes W15

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Vanja #66 wrote:
14 Feb 2024, 13:23
organic wrote:
14 Feb 2024, 12:52
Look at the top element. It is connected to the nose only via legality wire

Can see this getting banned or ubiquitously copied
Rules were made to avoid generation of strong vortical structures in that area, so it would have to be banned via TD asap or other teams might follow up quickly and the whole thing could get out of hand. Recent events have shown FOM and FIA don't appreciate such solutions which hamper overtaking capabilities of following cars.
Tombazidis is probably writing the TD as we speak :D

CaribouBread
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Re: Mercedes W15

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I don't understand why they'd publicly reveal this novelty so early, when it clearly "violates the intent" of the new regulations (which FIA/FOM have taken seriously lately it seems). Possible red herring?

bosyber
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Re: Mercedes W15

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CaribouBread wrote:
14 Feb 2024, 13:27
I don't understand why they'd publicly reveal this novelty so early, when it clearly "violates the intent" of the new regulations (which FIA/FOM have taken seriously lately it seems). Possible red herring?
Perhaps it's an idea they have, they have an implementation, but before putting in a lot of effort they'd prefer to have it banned if it's not happening?

K1Plus
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Re: Mercedes W15

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Xyz22 wrote:
14 Feb 2024, 13:27
Vanja #66 wrote:
14 Feb 2024, 13:23
organic wrote:
14 Feb 2024, 12:52
Look at the top element. It is connected to the nose only via legality wire

Can see this getting banned or ubiquitously copied
Rules were made to avoid generation of strong vortical structures in that area, so it would have to be banned via TD asap or other teams might follow up quickly and the whole thing could get out of hand. Recent events have shown FOM and FIA don't appreciate such solutions which hamper overtaking capabilities of following cars.
Tombazidis is probably writing the TD as we speak :D
Not him anymore. It's Jan Monchaux - ex Sauber TD.

Macklaren
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Re: Mercedes W15

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K1Plus wrote:
14 Feb 2024, 13:36
Xyz22 wrote:
14 Feb 2024, 13:27
Vanja #66 wrote:
14 Feb 2024, 13:23


Rules were made to avoid generation of strong vortical structures in that area, so it would have to be banned via TD asap or other teams might follow up quickly and the whole thing could get out of hand. Recent events have shown FOM and FIA don't appreciate such solutions which hamper overtaking capabilities of following cars.
Tombazidis is probably writing the TD as we speak :D
Not him anymore. It's Jan Monchaux - ex Sauber TD.
He replaced Tim Goss but still reports to Nick #offtopic

djones
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Re: Mercedes W15

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By showing the front wing like that - they have either had confirmation it's okay or want it to be banned on purpose.

BlueCheetah66
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Re: Mercedes W15

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CaribouBread wrote:
14 Feb 2024, 13:27
I don't understand why they'd publicly reveal this novelty so early, when it clearly "violates the intent" of the new regulations (which FIA/FOM have taken seriously lately it seems). Possible red herring?
Maybe they have already found out it was illegal or not beneficial but decided to include it in the launch car. We've seen Alfa launch with funky looking floor edges only to turn up with conventional looking ones

f1jcw
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Re: Mercedes W15

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Vanja #66 wrote:
14 Feb 2024, 13:23
organic wrote:
14 Feb 2024, 12:52
Look at the top element. It is connected to the nose only via legality wire

Can see this getting banned or ubiquitously copied
Rules were made to avoid generation of strong vortical structures in that area, so it would have to be banned via TD asap or other teams might follow up quickly and the whole thing could get out of hand. Recent events have shown FOM and FIA don't appreciate such solutions which hamper overtaking capabilities of following cars.
I wonder why show it now, unless it is to get it banned from other teams.

Matt2725
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Mercedes have history with clearing new ideas with the FIA before implementation.

I can't see why they wouldn't have done the same here and it given the green light.

Cs98
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Re: Mercedes W15

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Matt2725 wrote:
14 Feb 2024, 14:00
Mercedes have history with clearing new ideas with the FIA before implementation.

I can't see why they wouldn't have done the same here and it given the green light.
Sure they do.
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mzso
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Re: Mercedes W15

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CaribouBread wrote:
14 Feb 2024, 12:39
organic wrote:
14 Feb 2024, 12:37
https://i.imgur.com/8gEpmN2.jpeg
Very uncanny photo, feels like all the people have been edited in. Either the lighting there is wack or the people were cut/pasted from other pictures.
From Wolff to the right there's no glare on the faces whatsoever. I doubt it's real photo. More like composition and CGI.

Luscion
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f1jcw wrote:
14 Feb 2024, 14:04
Luscion wrote:
14 Feb 2024, 14:02
Interesting, Mortorsport italy is reporting that Merc have found more than half a second of performance (doesnt say how much over 0.5secs they have found)

https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-te ... /10575697/
Don't AM say they have found 0.6 lol
no clue about AM, but Motorsport is saying its from "Merc's simulation data" so should take that with a grain of salt

KimiRai
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This looks like Photoshop

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morefirejules08
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Merc deliberately hiding the rear of the car?

Luscion
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W15 entering the pits

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