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The vertical inlet clearly visible here

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FNTC wrote:
15 Feb 2024, 23:32
From Chris Medland on X: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GGZztbRWcAA ... name=large
There appears to be an air exit hole from the sidepod/chassis right below the H in Honda there too.
Already there on the RB19, slightly different shape. Just a hot air exit.

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FNTC wrote:
15 Feb 2024, 23:36
https://racer.com/2024/02/15/red-bull-s ... e-on-rb20/

Horner:
“I think there’s some great innovation on the car as well, which will no doubt get scrutinized over the coming weeks. Creativity has been strong in the team and you can see that in some of the solutions that they’ve come up with. It’s not a conservative evolution — there’s some great innovation on this car.”
dialtone wrote:
15 Feb 2024, 23:30
If RB20 is a huge change we haven’t seen that change yet. So far it’s a lip and maybe a sidepod intake.
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Venturiation wrote:
15 Feb 2024, 23:36
The vertical inlet clearly visible here
Perfectly visible at 5 seconds

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Andi76 wrote:
15 Feb 2024, 22:46
organic wrote:
15 Feb 2024, 22:39
Im going to wait until Bahrain but they certainly were not conservative, contrary to what Horner Adrian and Waché were saying..
I would say they indeed were conservative, because apart from the sidepod inlet it's actually a very conservative evolution. And I doubt whether Over instead of Underbite will change that.
I disagree. Horner has now been interviewed post-launch and claims there will be a lot of scrutiny into what they've done and that the team has been innovative and creative in a lot of areas.

So the "evolution not revolution" lines were complete smoke and mirrors as I predicted :mrgreen:

Here is a quote from Horner today:

"It's not a conservative evolution"

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Andi76 wrote:
15 Feb 2024, 22:46
I would say they indeed were conservative, because apart from the sidepod inlet it's actually a very conservative evolution. And I doubt whether Over instead of Underbite will change that.
If we compare launch spec RB18 to launch spec RB19 there was a lot of clear improvement and aggressive evolution. This launch spec of RB20 is closer to RB18 level of details in most areas of top side bodywork, so I would also call it conservstive. They clearly wanted to open a new development direction for it and as such the first solution is usually either conservative or unreliable/unpredictable and no team can afford to do the latter wirh only 3 days of pre season testing
And they call it a stall. A STALL!

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I too feel they made quite some changes.

So is the top of the air intake now also lower? It feels that way to me? Is that even allowed?

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AR3-GP wrote:
15 Feb 2024, 23:28
Xyz22 wrote:
15 Feb 2024, 23:25
RB18 to RB19 was not conservative at all.
Compared to RB19 -> RB20, it was to me.
RB invested a lot in reducing weight (which is never easy) and being extremely bold with the floor, which is the main performance differentiator. Moreover, they were the first to push to the extreme (at the time) the underbite inlet approach, IIRC.

So to me calling the RB19 conservative compared to the RB18 is not fair :D In any event i get what you mean, but i also i think that some improvements can be considered bold/significant even if are not visible.

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That outlet has been discussed 100 times across the rb18 and rb19 threads.

It was there from the launch of the rb18 all the way to the end of 2023 virtually unchanged

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Seems like the question whether it’s a high horizontal or a vertical inlet will remain unanswered until testing.

My personal armchair-expert opinion is that vertical inlets would only make sense with zeropods which the RB20 obviously doesn’t have. Other than that I can’t see how putting the inlets vertically would give an advantage over horizontally in a place with undisturbed clean air going through.

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Vanja #66 wrote:
15 Feb 2024, 23:43
Andi76 wrote:
15 Feb 2024, 22:46
I would say they indeed were conservative, because apart from the sidepod inlet it's actually a very conservative evolution. And I doubt whether Over instead of Underbite will change that.
If we compare launch spec RB18 to launch spec RB19 there was a lot of clear improvement and aggressive evolution. This launch spec of RB20 is closer to RB18 level of details in most areas of top side bodywork, so I would also call it conservstive. They clearly wanted to open a new development direction for it and as such the first solution is usually either conservative or unreliable/unpredictable and no team can afford to do the latter wirh only 3 days of pre season testing
I understand what you mean but I think it's a little bit of semantics.

The RB20 differs from the RB19 in more ways than the RB18->RB19. That's all I'm saying. You have stated it more as in the detail on the RB20 is not as advanced as the detail on the RB19. That's not what I meant, but it is an interesting point to make as well.

For what it's worth, it's reported that RB already has a "bahrain package" which might be similar to 2022's sidepod update.
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LM10 wrote:
15 Feb 2024, 23:51
Seems like the question whether it’s a high horizontal or a vertical inlet will remain unanswered until testing.

My personal armchair-expert opinion is that vertical inlets would only make sense with zeropods which the RB20 obviously doesn’t have. Other than that I can’t see how putting the inlets vertically would give an advantage over horizontally in a place with undisturbed clean air going through.
I reckon it'll be a duct in the chassis like Ferrari and a typical horizontal main inlet under a overbite.

(was mentioned in the discord channel by one member what the plans are...)
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I also buy into the 2 inlet theory with the vertical inlet being the s-duct


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