Christian Horner under Investigation

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Blimey. I would love to get a sexist text and then be offered 650 000 GBP to not talk about it!
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CZOLG wrote:
16 Feb 2024, 16:21
Blimey. I would love to get a sexist text and then be offered 650 000 GBP to not talk about it!
Haha , could make it my dayjob like that :)

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maxxer wrote:
16 Feb 2024, 16:17
Well there is news :

https://www.telegraaf.nl/sport/70913152 ... end-gedrag

It was sexual texting and camp Horner tried to get the woman silent with 650.000 gbp

Newspaper has seen the messages and knows the name of the employee
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This article is behind a paywall. Could you quote the text?
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Wouter wrote:
16 Feb 2024, 16:22
maxxer wrote:
16 Feb 2024, 16:17
Well there is news :

https://www.telegraaf.nl/sport/70913152 ... end-gedrag

It was sexual texting and camp Horner tried to get the woman silent with 650.000 gbp

Newspaper has seen the messages and knows the name of the employee
.
This article is behind a paywall. Could you quote the text?
https://archive.is/7R12j

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If true it sounds like entrampment to get Horner out. Horner is an idiot if he fell for it. But that is of course if it is true.
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maxxer wrote:
16 Feb 2024, 16:25
https://archive.is/7R12j
MILTON KEYNES - The riot within Formula One team Red Bull Racing surrounding the independent investigation into team boss Christian Horner appears to be one of major proportions. The female employee who came forward in December 2023 at the billion-dollar company's headquarters in Austria accuses Horner of sexually transgressive behavior.

The employee turned over app traffic allegedly showing this to the outside lawyer investigating the Horner case. The Telegraph obtained this app traffic. Horner has so far denied all allegations.
The publication by De Telegraaf on Feb. 5 about the investigation by an external, specialized lawyer set up by the Red Bull summit already hit like a bomb in the Formula 1 world. Since then there has been plenty of speculation about the exact allegations made by the employee in question, whose name is known to these editors.

Explosive material
It now appears that the woman's explosive material goes far beyond "just" some voice raising by the powerful team boss and his management style, as has been claimed here and there.
Stories about this have been circulating within the Formula 1 world for months, even as far back as 2023, and were thus already known behind the scenes at the time of the meeting with all team bosses in London, on that same Feb. 5.

App traffic
On Thursday, those sounds surrounding the race team's major presentation were confirmed by multiple sources in Milton Keynes, England.
From the app traffic between the female employee of Red Bull and Horner, viewed by The Telegraph, the picture emerges that Horner (50) sent sexually oriented messages to the employee regularly and over a considerable period of time.

Case covered up
All messages were saved and sent through the employee's lawyer to the external lawyer hired. The lawyer sat for hours with Horner last Friday. Earlier, the reporter had been heard for a long time.

That Horner has done everything possible to cover up the case is also clear. On the weekend before the first publication in The Telegraph - after he was confronted with the investigation into transgressive behavior on Friday evening, February 2, and asked for a response - his lawyers sent a letter within 24 hours to the lawyer assisting the reporter. In it, the Horner camp offered a settlement in the amount of no less than 650,000 pounds, or more than 760,000 euros.

Allegations known to Red Bull top brass
Horner is a well-known figure in Britain not only for his position as Red Bull Racing team boss in the Formula One world (since 2005) and being in charge of more than 1,500 employees. He is also in a relationship with former Spice Girl Geri Halliwell and is therefore extra in the spotlight.
The allegations, the app traffic, as well as the tone of the apps are known to Red Bull executives in Austria, including Mark Mateschitz and sports boss Oliver Mintzlaff.

Support from Yoovidhya
Yet Horner has not been suspended for the time being, pending the investigation, and has not decided to step down (temporarily) himself. That has everything to do with the fact that the Brit still has the support of Thai Chalerm Yoovidhya. The latter owns 51 percent of Red Bull and thus holds a majority. The remaining shares, 49 percent, are owned by Mark Mateschitz, the son of Dietrich Mateschitz, who died in 2022.

Horner was at work as usual last period and Thursday at the Red Bull factory in Milton Keynes also attended the presentation of world champion Max Verstappen and Sergio Pérez's new car for the upcoming Formula One season. Next week's test days are scheduled in Bahrain, the venue for the first race of the season a week later (Saturday, March 2).

Better lost than rich
After the team presentation on Thursday, the British driver again denied all allegations against him, stated that he will be in Bahrain next week, did not think about quitting and said that he feels a lot of support within the team and from the Red Bull top.
What is clear, however, is that many insiders, and presumably Horner himself, realize that within that Red Bull top - that is, not from the race team but from the headquarters in Austria - many would rather lose him than be rich.

Known to other key players in F1
Not surprisingly, after questions from De Telegraaf about accusations against Horner, that headquarters confirmed very quickly that an investigation is indeed underway and the matter is being taken "extremely seriously. Horner was unaware of the statement at the time.
The allegations regarding Horner's sexually transgressive behavior are now also known to several other key players in the Formula One world.

Eyes on Liberty Media
In addition, the eyes of American sports owners Liberty Media - which has owned Formula 1 for four billion euros since 2016 - are also focused on the issue and its handling, as are Red Bull's large, American sponsors Oracle and Ford.
Especially in the United States, these kinds of issues surrounding multinationals and world-renowned sports brands are especially sensitive.
To questions about the app traffic, Horner did not want to respond.
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If true, how on earth gets evidence (messages) leaked to The Telegraaf?

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maxxer wrote:
16 Feb 2024, 16:17
Well there is news :

https://www.telegraaf.nl/sport/70913152 ... end-gedrag

It was sexual texting and camp Horner tried to get the woman silent with 650.000 gbp

Newspaper has seen the messages and knows the name of the employee
You talk like this is true.. this paper sounds like garbage and fake news. Just adding the word sexual to something to get a headline without making it make any sense whatsoever.

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RedNEO wrote:
16 Feb 2024, 16:48
You talk like this is true.. this paper sounds like garbage and fake news. Just adding the word sexual to something to get a headline without making it make any sense whatsoever.
the press usually doesn't make stuff like that up. Claiming what they have done today is asking to be sued for defamation (and they would loose) if they weren't 100% shure what they were being told is true.
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dans79 wrote:
16 Feb 2024, 16:58
RedNEO wrote:
16 Feb 2024, 16:48
You talk like this is true.. this paper sounds like garbage and fake news. Just adding the word sexual to something to get a headline without making it make any sense whatsoever.
the press usually doesn't make stuff like that up. Claiming what they have done today is asking to be sued for defamation (and they would loose) if they weren't 100% shure what they were being told is true.
Uhh yes they do.. too many times. Johnny Depp was the most recent case where a UK paper wrote he was a wife beater.. he sued the paper and still lost. It later turned out he wasn’t a wife beater when he won the case against Amber Heard in the US court but the damage was already done.

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dans79 wrote:
16 Feb 2024, 16:58
RedNEO wrote:
16 Feb 2024, 16:48
You talk like this is true.. this paper sounds like garbage and fake news. Just adding the word sexual to something to get a headline without making it make any sense whatsoever.
the press usually doesn't make stuff like that up. Claiming what they have done today is asking to be sued for defamation (and they would loose) if they weren't 100% shure what they were being told is true.

Erm…. Suzie Wolff scandal just a few months ago?
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RedNEO wrote:
16 Feb 2024, 17:02
Uhh yes they do.. too many times. Johnny Depp was the most recent case where a UK paper wrote he was a wife beater.. he sued the paper and still lost. It later turned out he wasn’t a wife beater when he won the case against Amber Heard in the US court but the damage was already done.
That is a special case of individuals with missing bolts.

for example.
https://people.com/movies/johnny-depp-t ... 0while.%22
In the text, Depp said he hoped Heard's "rotting corpse is decomposing in the f-----g trunk of a Honda Civic." Baruch corroborated the message was sent: "Yeah, it was written." Depp also texted about Heard: "That c--- ruined such a f-----g cool life we had for a while."
chrisc90 wrote:
16 Feb 2024, 17:02
Erm…. Suzie Wolff scandal just a few months ago?
Suzie can't win anything if she hasn't sued them yet.
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maxxer wrote:
16 Feb 2024, 16:25
Wouter wrote:
16 Feb 2024, 16:22
maxxer wrote:
16 Feb 2024, 16:17
Well there is news :

https://www.telegraaf.nl/sport/70913152 ... end-gedrag

It was sexual texting and camp Horner tried to get the woman silent with 650.000 gbp

Newspaper has seen the messages and knows the name of the employee
.
This article is behind a paywall. Could you quote the text?
.
https://archive.is/7R12j
.
Thank you.
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dans79 wrote:
16 Feb 2024, 17:07
RedNEO wrote:
16 Feb 2024, 17:02
Uhh yes they do.. too many times. Johnny Depp was the most recent case where a UK paper wrote he was a wife beater.. he sued the paper and still lost. It later turned out he wasn’t a wife beater when he won the case against Amber Heard in the US court but the damage was already done.
That is a special case of individuals with missing bolts.

for example.
https://people.com/movies/johnny-depp-t ... 0while.%22
In the text, Depp said he hoped Heard's "rotting corpse is decomposing in the f-----g trunk of a Honda Civic." Baruch corroborated the message was sent: "Yeah, it was written." Depp also texted about Heard: "That c--- ruined such a f-----g cool life we had for a while."
chrisc90 wrote:
16 Feb 2024, 17:02
Erm…. Suzie Wolff scandal just a few months ago?
Suzie can't win anything if she hasn't sued them yet.
Are you seriously using a whataboutism text that you don't know the context of as a tit for tat to the allegations of physical assault a UK paper made up? You’re not even pretending to not care about truth and justice.

It gets even crazier because she was the one who physically assaulted him and --- in his bed and all you can show me is a text message from him like they are the same thing :lol:
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Gross response to a very serious matter from people here. It is unacceptable that RB allowed Horner to continue working as if nothing was wrong. A suspension was and is almost necessary, shame on RB for allowing Horner at the release. Telegraaf were, by the way, the first of the media outlets to even report that there was an investigation going on, so to those acting like this is "fake news", I would think twice. Of course, these still remain allegations, but I hope for Horner's sake he didn't do it, as this seems quite damning.