Christian Horner under Investigation

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If the allegations are correct then regardless there should have been a suspension for Horner whilst this is investigated

And what's happening now? The lawyer of the investigation has gone on holiday? If so that is a complete farce

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17 Feb 2024, 02:06
If the allegations are correct then regardless there should have been a suspension for Horner whilst this is investigated

And what's happening now? The lawyer of the investigation has gone on holiday? If so that is a complete farce
I wonder if that will happen over the weekend.
It seems typical of a newspaper to leak something on late Friday and have a exclusive on the Sunday

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taperoo2k wrote: FYI -It is a criminal offence to send unsolicited sexual images in the UK. The way it works in England and Wales is that the person who recieves the images has to make a formal complaint to the Police for it to be investigated.
Well no complaint has been made to the police but to RB HQ. Does this debunk the pictures gossiping?

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Espresso wrote:
17 Feb 2024, 02:45
taperoo2k wrote: FYI -It is a criminal offence to send unsolicited sexual images in the UK. The way it works in England and Wales is that the person who recieves the images has to make a formal complaint to the Police for it to be investigated.
Well no complaint has been made to the police but to RB HQ. Does this debunk the pictures gossiping?
It is upto the person, she can report it to the police or to head office, doesn’t debunk anything

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Depends on jurisdiction but sexual harassment in the workplace isn't usually considered criminal, at least in the US. If the actions rise to the level of stalking or sexual assault, or sexual misconduct, then it would be a police matter.

The victim here may not have been victimized to the legal level necessary for it to be a crime in the UK.

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maxxer wrote:
16 Feb 2024, 20:57
SoulPancake13 wrote:
16 Feb 2024, 20:14
DChemTech wrote:
16 Feb 2024, 20:11


De Telegraaf reputable :lol: what a joke. One of the most biased pseudotabloid newspapers in the Netherlands.
Let's wait for some proper official new rather than sensationalist reporting. And perhaps focus this forum on the interesting technical stuff instead of personal gossip. There should be plenty of that to go around with all the new car releases.
De Telegraaf is not reliable in all aspects but sports. Erik van Haren is extremely close to the Verstappens and Marko. But again, people like you will deflect and refuse to hear anything that might contradict your view.
Agreed , the paper was right when they broke the story in the first place.
Seems some people don't want it to be true and are finding ways to ignore the truth.
What kind of world do some of you live in where you can just accuse someone of something and the accusation is just believed and called the truth without a scrap of evidence or giving that person a chance to defend themselves?

Better hope that doesn’t happen to you one day. I’d love to see the look on your face when roles are reversed.

Horner is taking legal action against the paper telegraaf. I wonder if you still want to confidently accuse him again without evidence.. might be you next that’s taken to court.

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RedNEO wrote:
17 Feb 2024, 03:34
maxxer wrote:
16 Feb 2024, 20:57
SoulPancake13 wrote:
16 Feb 2024, 20:14


De Telegraaf is not reliable in all aspects but sports. Erik van Haren is extremely close to the Verstappens and Marko. But again, people like you will deflect and refuse to hear anything that might contradict your view.
Agreed , the paper was right when they broke the story in the first place.
Seems some people don't want it to be true and are finding ways to ignore the truth.
What kind of world do some of you live in where you can just accuse someone of something and the accusation is just believed and called the truth without a scrap of evidence or giving that person a chance to defend themselves?

Better hope that doesn’t happen to you one day. I’d love to see the look on your face when roles are reversed.

Horner is taking legal action against the paper telegraaf. I wonder if you still want to confidently accuse him again without evidence.. might be you next that’s taken to court.
Well there is not much public interest in me, if i would have done such as he did i would have just been fired on the spot. No lawyers and all flying in.

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Isn’t there a no politics rule here?

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dialtone wrote:Isn’t there a no politics rule here?
So this entire thread?

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RedNEO wrote:
17 Feb 2024, 04:28
dialtone wrote:
17 Feb 2024, 04:13
Isn’t there a no politics rule here?
We have a user above blindly accusing Christian Horner of sexual misconduct without any evidence and the one thing you focus on is whether someone said something political?
Did you miss the news today? No one is blindly doing anything it’s published across the entire world. You have even Ford speaking out and wanting it sorting, you can bet they are not happy.

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The Times reports that a resolution can potentially be expected early next week
The Red Bull investigation into Christian Horner is likely to be resolved as early as next week after fresh allegations against the Formula 1 team principal surfaced in the Netherlands on Friday.
Sources suggested the investigation could take until the opening race of the F1 season in Bahrain on March 2, but The Times understands there is now a desire to accelerate the process in an effort to end the disruption as well as the uncertainty.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/red- ... -25f03s838

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That’s sounds a bit optimistic if she’s going to a UK court and the lawyer has fled without submitting the report

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organic wrote:
17 Feb 2024, 05:14
The Times reports that a resolution can potentially be expected early next week
The Red Bull investigation into Christian Horner is likely to be resolved as early as next week after fresh allegations against the Formula 1 team principal surfaced in the Netherlands on Friday.
Sources suggested the investigation could take until the opening race of the F1 season in Bahrain on March 2, but The Times understands there is now a desire to accelerate the process in an effort to end the disruption as well as the uncertainty.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/red- ... -25f03s838
What fresh allegations? From the paper getting sued so they don’t even want to name them anymore? This is comical.

Journalism 101 for fresh allegations is the same allegation from the same paper with a word swapped out in the headline but still no evidence whatsoever. Just parrot the other papers nonsense while omitting them by name now and just refer to the news as coming from the Netherlands to keep it vague and not mention Horner suing the paper. Disgraceful.

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RedNEO wrote:
17 Feb 2024, 05:56
organic wrote:
17 Feb 2024, 05:14
The Times reports that a resolution can potentially be expected early next week
The Red Bull investigation into Christian Horner is likely to be resolved as early as next week after fresh allegations against the Formula 1 team principal surfaced in the Netherlands on Friday.
Sources suggested the investigation could take until the opening race of the F1 season in Bahrain on March 2, but The Times understands there is now a desire to accelerate the process in an effort to end the disruption as well as the uncertainty.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/red- ... -25f03s838
What fresh allegations? From the paper getting sued so they don’t even want to name them anymore? This is comical.

Journalism 101 for fresh allegations is the same allegation from the same paper with a word swapped out in the headline but still no evidence whatsoever. Just parrot the other papers nonsense while omitting them by name now and just refer to the news as coming from the Netherlands to keep it vague and not mention Horner suing the paper. Disgraceful.
De Telegraaf's initial report published only that there was "inappropriate behaviour". It stated that there was evidence dossier with RB in Austria.

New article states that there was sexual misconduct and that the nature of the evidence is many texts over a long period of time

The nature of the accusations is so sensitive that it does create an urgency to resolve things more quickly. If he's innocent then it's best to resolve them quickly to clear his name, and if he's guilty then it's best to remove him from his position as soon as possible.

So you see the nature and specificity of accusations can affect how stakeholders respond to them, despite it not changing their stance on Horner's guilt.
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