2024 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

[woocasz]

That was Toto's doing




Seems to be accurate info. That was Leclerc, Sainz was apparently 1.2s faster and I think that's a better indicator. Leclerc is nuts on one lap, on race pace their difference is obviously smaller and that's where Sainz' laps are more relevant. They gathered a lot of data, they know the state of their track. It's still a bumpy track though, so they could also check initial behaviour in those conditions. Too bad F1-75 ran in way different conditions 2 years ago.

You've got the times wrong
Sainz: 57,21s
Leclerc: 56,81s

The times are right, the comparison is against the time set by the same driver last year. LEC was 0.8 faster than himself a year ago and SAI was 1.2.

But the way he wrote it would indicate that Sainz was faster than Leclerc that day, which he was not

[KimiRai]

Not sure if this is the correct place to ask but since Ferrari proved teams are using filming days as mini test sessions to test different parts and acquire data, why do they still have to use fake tyres? Might as well stop the nonsense and let them use proper tyres

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Donadoni reports that the 30 points of df claimed previously in the tunnel have been verified on track

[LM10]

Donadoni reports that the 30 points of df claimed previously in the tunnel have been verified on track

Searching what 30 points of downforce might mean, I’ve a found a thread back from 2010 where a user posted this part of a Paddy Lowe interview in which he coincidentally was asked exactly the same figure:

Q: Jenson Button has suggested you were ‘30 points’ behind Red Bull in terms of downforce and that it would take six or seven races to make up that deficit. Do you agree with that analysis and can you explain what ‘30 points’ means?

PL: A point is Formula One code for a hundredth of a fraction of ‘cl’, where ‘cl’ is the downforce coefficient. Physically a Formula One car has a downforce coefficient of let’s say 3 to 3.5. So 30 points would be 30 hundredths which would equate to 0.3. So 30 points might be getting on for 10 percent of the downforce on an F1 car and that could be worth about a second a lap.

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Donadoni reports that the 30 points of df claimed previously in the tunnel have been verified on track

Searching what 30 points of downforce might mean, I’ve a found a thread back from 2010 where a user posted this part of a Paddy Lowe interview in which he coincidentally was asked exactly the same figure:

Q: Jenson Button has suggested you were ‘30 points’ behind Red Bull in terms of downforce and that it would take six or seven races to make up that deficit. Do you agree with that analysis and can you explain what ‘30 points’ means?

PL: A point is Formula One code for a hundredth of a fraction of ‘cl’, where ‘cl’ is the downforce coefficient. Physically a Formula One car has a downforce c oefficient of let’s say 3 to 3.5. So 30 points would be 30 hundredths which would equate to 0.3. So 30 points might be getting on for 10 percent of the downforce on an F1 car and that could be worth about a second a lap.

That's not correct, or at the very least not correct anymore

Points of downforce are different for each team and 30 points is for sure less than 5% of the car's downforce. For Ferrari 30 pts is worth around 0.45s

[Vanja #66]

PL: A point is Formula One code for a hundredth of a fraction of ‘cl’, where ‘cl’ is the downforce coefficient. Physically a Formula One car has a downforce coefficient of let’s say 3 to 3.5. So 30 points would be 30 hundredths which would equate to 0.3. So 30 points might be getting on for 10 percent of the downforce on an F1 car and that could be worth about a second a lap.

Points of downforce are different for each team. For Ferrari 30 pts is worth around 0.45s

As explained by Lowe, 1pt is -Cl=0.01, while -Cl is now something around 7.5-8 as far as I know. So 1pt has lower value in lap time than 2010 and is basically "easier" to gain now since wings and floors are far bigger than 2010 rules allowed. In general, it translates to about the same lap time gain for every top car since all of them are close in outright figures.

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PL: A point is Formula One code for a hundredth of a fraction of ‘cl’, where ‘cl’ is the downforce coefficient. Physically a Formula One car has a downforce coefficient of let’s say 3 to 3.5. So 30 points would be 30 hundredths which would equate to 0.3. So 30 points might be getting on for 10 percent of the downforce on an F1 car and that could be worth about a second a lap.

Points of downforce are different for each team. For Ferrari 30 pts is worth around 0.45s

As explained by Lowe, 1pt is -Cl=0.01, while -Cl is now something around 7.5-8 as far as I know. So 1pt has lower value in lap time than 2010 and is basically easier to gain now since wings and floors are far bigger than 2010 rules allowed. In general, it translates to about the same lap time gain for every top car since all of them are close in outright figures.

That makes sense that it's roughly comparable between teams. Still I believe that 30 points is around half a second ?

Not insane gains but to confirm their wind tunnel numbers on track is good

[Vanja #66]

That makes sense that it's roughly comparable. Still I believe that 30 points is around half a second ?

Yeah, I wouldn't go above 0.5s a lap gain. Maybe more towards 0.4s gain. We'll see soon enough

As long as we are here, teams are very good at estimating each other's downforce levels through GPS data, cornering speeds etc. Having the same tyres makes it lot easier now and having Q performance as low-fuel benchmark gives an estimate on how extra fuel will influence other cars.

[Cs98]

Donadoni reports that the 30 points of df claimed previously in the tunnel have been verified on track

Searching what 30 points of downforce might mean, I’ve a found a thread back from 2010 where a user posted this part of a Paddy Lowe interview in which he coincidentally was asked exactly the same figure:

Q: Jenson Button has suggested you were ‘30 points’ behind Red Bull in terms of downforce and that it would take six or seven races to make up that deficit. Do you agree with that analysis and can you explain what ‘30 points’ means?

PL: A point is Formula One code for a hundredth of a fraction of ‘cl’, where ‘cl’ is the downforce coefficient. Physically a Formula One car has a downforce c oefficient of let’s say 3 to 3.5. So 30 points would be 30 hundredths which would equate to 0.3. So 30 points might be getting on for 10 percent of the downforce on an F1 car and that could be worth about a second a lap.

That's not correct, or at the very least not correct anymore

Points of downforce are different for each team and 30 points is for sure less than 5% of the car's downforce. For Ferrari 30 pts is worth around 0.45s

It's not possible to convert directly into lap time since we don't know the drag consequence of that added DF.

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Searching what 30 points of downforce might mean, I’ve a found a thread back from 2010 where a user posted this part of a Paddy Lowe interview in which he coincidentally was asked exactly the same figure:

That's not correct, or at the very least not correct anymore

Points of downforce are different for each team and 30 points is for sure less than 5% of the car's downforce. For Ferrari 30 pts is worth around 0.45s

It's not possible to convert directly into lap time since we don't know the drag consequence of that added DF.

We can assume the L/d is the same at this point in the regs imo

[bagajohny]

Donadoni reports that the 30 points of df claimed previously in the tunnel have been verified on track

Searching what 30 points of downforce might mean, I’ve a found a thread back from 2010 where a user posted this part of a Paddy Lowe interview in which he coincidentally was asked exactly the same figure:

Q: Jenson Button has suggested you were ‘30 points’ behind Red Bull in terms of downforce and that it would take six or seven races to make up that deficit. Do you agree with that analysis and can you explain what ‘30 points’ means?

PL: A point is Formula One code for a hundredth of a fraction of ‘cl’, where ‘cl’ is the downforce coefficient. Physically a Formula One car has a downforce coefficient of let’s say 3 to 3.5. So 30 points would be 30 hundredths which would equate to 0.3. So 30 points might be getting on for 10 percent of the downforce on an F1 car and that could be worth about a second a lap.

I also found this comment

https://www.reddit.com/r/F1Technical/co ... t/ge9qlli/

[K1Plus]

Donadoni reports that the 30 points of df claimed previously in the tunnel have been verified on track

Searching what 30 points of downforce might mean, I’ve a found a thread back from 2010 where a user posted this part of a Paddy Lowe interview in which he coincidentally was asked exactly the same figure:

Q: Jenson Button has suggested you were ‘30 points’ behind Red Bull in terms of downforce and that it would take six or seven races to make up that deficit. Do you agree with that analysis and can you explain what ‘30 points’ means?

PL: A point is Formula One code for a hundredth of a fraction of ‘cl’, where ‘cl’ is the downforce coefficient. Physically a Formula One car has a downforce coefficient of let’s say 3 to 3.5. So 30 points would be 30 hundredths which would equate to 0.3. So 30 points might be getting on for 10 percent of the downforce on an F1 car and that could be worth about a second a lap.

I also found this comment

https://www.reddit.com/r/F1Technical/co ... t/ge9qlli/

Would 1 second be enough to close the gap to Red Bull?

[F1NAC]

Searching what 30 points of downforce might mean, I’ve a found a thread back from 2010 where a user posted this part of a Paddy Lowe interview in which he coincidentally was asked exactly the same figure:

I also found this comment

https://www.reddit.com/r/F1Technical/co ... t/ge9qlli/

Would 1 second be enough to close the gap to Red Bull?

if this let's say 1 second is true then that is not enough. This is comparison between SF23 launch version. Ferrari for sure made some progress through the season. The proper comparison should be between AD SF23 spec vs SF24.

[Vanja #66]

30 pts of downforce is improvement over final spec SF23. 30pts meaning 1s improvement refers to 2010 Mercedes F1 car, this was already explained.

[SoulPancake13]

I wonder if the 30 points claim is just about pure one lap pace. I believe that we could see an even larger jump in terms of lap times(if this is the case) in the race if the downforce is more usable leading to less tyre wear and the car remains as slippery in a straight line.