2024 Mclaren Formula 1 Team

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LionsHeart
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mwillems wrote:
22 Feb 2024, 20:08
LionsHeart wrote:
22 Feb 2024, 19:52
mwillems wrote:
22 Feb 2024, 19:48


Yes of course, it might be a bit later though as I'm cooking dinner at the moment and then I will need to put the little one to bed so will be a few hours.
No problem, no rush. Thank you very much in advance!
Did you want telemetry from the API in detail, or were you after the stuff I get from F1-Tempo.com? Let me know if this isn't what you are after.

https://i.ibb.co/HYXqR88/Per-Nor-Sai.png
On the contrary, that's what's needed and even more so since you still brought the graph with the race track. It's even more than I wanted. Thank you! Something to think about.

LionsHeart
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elldizzle wrote:
22 Feb 2024, 20:16
Does anyone else think, with these low top speeds and low engine mode, that we may be sandbagging?. Car looks very compliant and driveable from the onboards.
I looked at the telemetry and saw the maximum engine speed. I've thought about it so far and I've decided it's down to the gearbox ratios. McLaren have longer gears than the other teams, so maybe that's one of the reasons why in slow corners McLaren drivers use second gear, while others use third gear.

Looking at Lando's qualifying time last year and comparing it to today, there's only a 0.1 second difference. So the car has at least a second or a second and a half to spare for qualifying in a week's time.

CjC
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Mclaren aren’t sandbagging compared to Red Bull.

Stella says Red Bull are strong:
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/stel ... /10578829/
Just a fan's point of view

Ground Effect
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Has anyone taken note of the tyre deg? Any improvements on that front?
Q: (Stefano Mancini – La Stampa) Kimi, will you help Vettel to win his championship this year?
Kimi Raikkonen: I can only drive one car, obviously. 
@2018 Singapore Grand Prix drivers press conference.

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CjC wrote:
22 Feb 2024, 20:27
Mclaren aren’t sandbagging compared to Red Bull.

Stella says Red Bull are strong:
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/stel ... /10578829/
Stella just said they made a big, and impressive, concept change. Not that they are strong based on data.

They probably are strong but that’s not what he said in this article.

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Darth-Piekus wrote:
22 Feb 2024, 18:16
But how do you catch a target who keeps changing concepts making their previous working ones that you borrow and try to evolve on an even better step obsolete with a new and possibly a better one?
How old are you?!
It seems like a childish question!

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https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/what- ... /10578852/

It’s behind a paywall so I’ll summarise what Stella said.
Grip at the rear axle has improved. Overall more grip. There is still a margin to work on the mechanical set up.

Overall more aerodynamic load needs to be brought to the car with the upcoming updates. There no architecture shortfalls.
Just a fan's point of view

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trinidefender wrote:
22 Feb 2024, 21:24
CjC wrote:
22 Feb 2024, 20:27
Mclaren aren’t sandbagging compared to Red Bull.

Stella says Red Bull are strong:
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/stel ... /10578829/
Stella just said they made a big, and impressive, concept change. Not that they are strong based on data.

They probably are strong but that’s not what he said in this article.
He also said in the press conference
"There is a car that has made a big step forward. Unfortunately, this is the fastest car from last year."
But it wasn't in the article

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CjC wrote:
22 Feb 2024, 21:27
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/what- ... /10578852/

It’s behind a paywall so I’ll summarise what Stella said.
Grip at the rear axle has improved. Overall more grip. There is still a margin to work on the mechanical set up.

Overall more aerodynamic load needs to be brought to the car with the upcoming updates. There no architecture shortfalls.
Sounds very good. I suppose the margin with mechanical side explains their slow corner T1 and T10 deficit atm

Does he say when the updates will come

CjC
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trinidefender wrote:
22 Feb 2024, 21:24
CjC wrote:
22 Feb 2024, 20:27
Mclaren aren’t sandbagging compared to Red Bull.

Stella says Red Bull are strong:
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/stel ... /10578829/
Stella just said they made a big, and impressive, concept change. Not that they are strong based on data.

They probably are strong but that’s not what he said in this article.
From the article:

“And the second element is performance itself. It looks like they are very strong. So it looks like what they wanted to achieve from a design point of view also delivered what I would say predominantly seems to be aerodynamic performance."
Just a fan's point of view

CjC
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organic wrote:
22 Feb 2024, 21:28
CjC wrote:
22 Feb 2024, 21:27
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/what- ... /10578852/

It’s behind a paywall so I’ll summarise what Stella said.
Grip at the rear axle has improved. Overall more grip. There is still a margin to work on the mechanical set up.

Overall more aerodynamic load needs to be brought to the car with the upcoming updates. There no architecture shortfalls.
Sounds very good. I suppose the margin with mechanical side explains their slow corner T1 and T10 deficit atm

Does he say when the updates will come
Also if rear grip has improved then that needs balancing out with front grip. Would explain the understeer like a few have suggested?

EDIT: regarding the updates, he just said the early races. It’s in the last paragraph of this article-
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/stell ... /10578833/
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trinidefender wrote:
22 Feb 2024, 21:24
CjC wrote:
22 Feb 2024, 20:27
Mclaren aren’t sandbagging compared to Red Bull.

Stella says Red Bull are strong:
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/stel ... /10578829/


Stella just said they made a big, and impressive, concept change. Not that they are strong based on data.

They probably are strong but that’s not what he said in this article.
Unfortunately he does...

"And the second element is performance itself. It looks like they are very strong. So it looks like what they wanted to achieve from a design point of view also delivered what I would say predominantly seems to be aerodynamic performance."
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But we know that anyway. I think it's becoming clear that the gap is at least, the same

He does talk of us closing the gap still, but I think from his words, the RB is a minor setback to our plans, but one he thinks we can still surmount this year.
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MTudor wrote:
22 Feb 2024, 21:25
Darth-Piekus wrote:
22 Feb 2024, 18:16
But how do you catch a target who keeps changing concepts making their previous working ones that you borrow and try to evolve on an even better step obsolete with a new and possibly a better one?
How old are you?!
It seems like a childish question!
Does it matter on this matter?

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organic wrote:
22 Feb 2024, 21:28
CjC wrote:
22 Feb 2024, 21:27
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/what- ... /10578852/

It’s behind a paywall so I’ll summarise what Stella said.
Grip at the rear axle has improved. Overall more grip. There is still a margin to work on the mechanical set up.

Overall more aerodynamic load needs to be brought to the car with the upcoming updates. There no architecture shortfalls.
Sounds very good. I suppose the margin with mechanical side explains their slow corner T1 and T10 deficit atm

Does he say when the updates will come
T10 deficit? The car didn’t seem to have a deficit in T10… I haven’t immersed myself on the data because it’s testing and it’s hard to make assessments, but I haven’t seeing anything in the telemetry that indicates a deficit in T10… If anything, with the same compound, the MCL38 was carrying more speed through T10 than RB / Ferrari