2024 Aston Martin | Aramco F1 Team

[NAPI10]

Apart from RB in the front; no one has a clear pecking order at this point. It keeps changing by the day.

[KimiRai]

Estimated race pace according to @MST_Formel1

Aston Martin 0.55s behind Redbull
but it’s still testing…

https://i.ibb.co/L0ths7N/Screenshot-202 ... d60efb.jpg

I don't believe this, Piastri's run seemed to be with much more fuel. I expect to be 5th best team or close to RB, wished we would at least be 3rd best team, but as long as we are within 1-2 tenths of McLaren/Mercedes and close enough to Ferrari it's not a bad start, they just need to upgrade the car properly this year.

Yes as long as the gap is small there is a chance if the first upgrade package works nicely, I hope there are some easy pickings compared to other cars. Not only upgrades but for example understanding the Merc suspension better, they might have received it a bit late in development (Williams even did not) and maybe they havent optimised around it yet. Alonso's rants about lack of testing could be related to that (or maybe not )

[OnEcRiTiCaL]

Estimated race pace according to @MST_Formel1

Aston Martin 0.55s behind Redbull
but it’s still testing…

https://i.ibb.co/L0ths7N/Screenshot-202 ... d60efb.jpg

I don't believe this, Piastri's run seemed to be with much more fuel. I expect to be 5th best team or close to RB, wished we would at least be 3rd best team, but as long as we are within 1-2 tenths of McLaren/Mercedes and close enough to Ferrari it's not a bad start, they just need to upgrade the car properly this year.

Yes as long as the gap is small there is a chance if the first upgrade package works nicely, I hope there are some easy pickings compared to other cars. Not only upgrades but for example understanding the Merc suspension better, they might have received it a bit late in development (Williams even did not) and maybe they havent optimised around it yet. Alonso's rants about lack of testing could be related to that (or maybe not )

They didn't got late in development the suspension details. Williams don't use the new one simply ,because they didn't want to. They said os doesn't give much time and the extra money They could spend somewhere else ,which give more advantage.

[AR3-GP]

I don't believe this, Piastri's run seemed to be with much more fuel. I expect to be 5th best team or close to RB, wished we would at least be 3rd best team, but as long as we are within 1-2 tenths of McLaren/Mercedes and close enough to Ferrari it's not a bad start, they just need to upgrade the car properly this year.

Yes as long as the gap is small there is a chance if the first upgrade package works nicely, I hope there are some easy pickings compared to other cars. Not only upgrades but for example understanding the Merc suspension better, they might have received it a bit late in development (Williams even did not) and maybe they havent optimised around it yet. Alonso's rants about lack of testing could be related to that (or maybe not )

They didn't got late in development the suspension details. Williams don't use the new one simply ,because they didn't want to. They said os doesn't give much time and the extra money They could spend somewhere else ,which give more advantage.

If Mercedes is revising their rear suspension it means they see it as a crucial area for performance. You wonder why williams don't see the same. They have to buy a rear end either way.

[NAPI10]

Yes as long as the gap is small there is a chance if the first upgrade package works nicely, I hope there are some easy pickings compared to other cars. Not only upgrades but for example understanding the Merc suspension better, they might have received it a bit late in development (Williams even did not) and maybe they havent optimised around it yet. Alonso's rants about lack of testing could be related to that (or maybe not )

They didn't got late in development the suspension details. Williams don't use the new one simply ,because they didn't want to. They said os doesn't give much time and the extra money They could spend somewhere else ,which give more advantage.

If Mercedes is revising their rear suspension it means they see it as a crucial area for performance. You wonder why williams don't see the same. They have to buy a rear end either way.

So Mercs 'Rear Suspension' is not the issue..... That is what everyone has called a weak-link to date.

[AR3-GP]

They didn't got late in development the suspension details. Williams don't use the new one simply ,because they didn't want to. They said os doesn't give much time and the extra money They could spend somewhere else ,which give more advantage.

If Mercedes is revising their rear suspension it means they see it as a crucial area for performance. You wonder why williams don't see the same. They have to buy a rear end either way.

So Mercs 'Rear Suspension' is not the issue..... That is what everyone has called a weak-link to date.

Then why did Merc blow their development budget to redesign it?

[diffuser]

Yes as long as the gap is small there is a chance if the first upgrade package works nicely, I hope there are some easy pickings compared to other cars. Not only upgrades but for example understanding the Merc suspension better, they might have received it a bit late in development (Williams even did not) and maybe they havent optimised around it yet. Alonso's rants about lack of testing could be related to that (or maybe not )

They didn't got late in development the suspension details. Williams don't use the new one simply ,because they didn't want to. They said os doesn't give much time and the extra money They could spend somewhere else ,which give more advantage.

If Mercedes is revising their rear suspension it means they see it as a crucial area for performance. You wonder why williams don't see the same. They have to buy a rear end either way.

Pretty sure the older parts are cheaper. Merc probably has an inventory of unused spares of the old parts. Remember they were manufacturing for 3 teams. Williams may also have a inventory of unused 2023 rear suspension/gearbox parts.

[AR3-GP]

They didn't got late in development the suspension details. Williams don't use the new one simply ,because they didn't want to. They said os doesn't give much time and the extra money They could spend somewhere else ,which give more advantage.

If Mercedes is revising their rear suspension it means they see it as a crucial area for performance. You wonder why williams don't see the same. They have to buy a rear end either way.

Pretty sure the older parts are cheaper. Merc probably has an inventory of unused spares of the old parts. Remember they were manufacturing for 3 teams. Williams may also have a inventory of unused 2023 rear suspension/gearbox parts.

Sure but are you trying to be cheap or go fast?

[diffuser]

If Mercedes is revising their rear suspension it means they see it as a crucial area for performance. You wonder why williams don't see the same. They have to buy a rear end either way.

Pretty sure the older parts are cheaper. Merc probably has an inventory of unused spares of the old parts. Remember they were manufacturing for 3 teams. Williams may also have a inventory of unused 2023 rear suspension/gearbox parts.

Sure but are you trying to be cheap or go fast?

Me? Fast AND Furious! Williams, not so much.

[Venturiation]

I don't believe this, Piastri's run seemed to be with much more fuel. I expect to be 5th best team or close to RB, wished we would at least be 3rd best team, but as long as we are within 1-2 tenths of McLaren/Mercedes and close enough to Ferrari it's not a bad start, they just need to upgrade the car properly this year.

Yes as long as the gap is small there is a chance if the first upgrade package works nicely, I hope there are some easy pickings compared to other cars. Not only upgrades but for example understanding the Merc suspension better, they might have received it a bit late in development (Williams even did not) and maybe they havent optimised around it yet. Alonso's rants about lack of testing could be related to that (or maybe not )

They didn't got late in development the suspension details. Williams don't use the new one simply ,because they didn't want to. They said os doesn't give much time and the extra money They could spend somewhere else ,which give more advantage.

James vowels said they didn't use the merc suspension because they started making the car in april 2023 and they couldn't wait for the new suspension

[zoroastar]

Apart from RB in the front; no one has a clear pecking order at this point. It keeps changing by the day.

Amen. people are acting like they know this year will be a failure based on body language, and badly translated interviews from news sources that didnt even exist before testing started. the only thing that ive seen anyone say that means anything is alonso saying how close the teams behind redbull are. nobody knows anything until next weekend. and even then, its probably going to be so close that it will change depending on the track.

[Ashwinv16]

Aston Martin Three Day test Program was very different to everyone else and it has to to be studied.
Day 1 - Higher downforce (Not Monaco high but more wing)
Day 2 - Medium downforce
Day 3 - Lower downforce (Not Monza low but less wing)
Morning session was done with lower engine mode than evening session.

So basically they took three days to analyse the car's speed and tyre degradation at different downforce set-ups.

The aim was to get the same laptimes and low tyre degradation's no matter the set-up so that they can get the car working at all tracks, which was the aim this year. They had a set target of 1:32 for high speed run and 1:37 for race pace for each car, based on engine modes. (no idea if they ran heavier fuel load or did standard fuel load like last year(ran what they usually would run in free practice))

[OnEcRiTiCaL]

Apart from RB in the front; no one has a clear pecking order at this point. It keeps changing by the day.

Amen. people are acting like they know this year will be a failure based on body language, and badly translated interviews from news sources that didnt even exist before testing started. the only thing that ive seen anyone say that means anything is alonso saying how close the teams behind redbull are. nobody knows anything until next weekend. and even then, its probably going to be so close that it will change depending on the track.

Exactly,lot of fake news out there. But we know the simulations apromexly. Which was match with Ferrari at C3 and at c1 even better. Some guys out there did run at C4 but the best 1st sector it was for Alonso on the C3. Is enough for me:).

[kenji]

Aston Martin Three Day test Program was very different to everyone else and it has to to be studied.
Day 1 - Higher downforce (Not Monaco high but more wing)
Day 2 - Medium downforce
Day 3 - Lower downforce (Not Monza low but less wing)
Morning session was done with lower engine mode than evening session.

So basically they took three days to analyse the car's speed and tyre degradation at different downforce set-ups.

The aim was to get the same laptimes and low tyre degradation's no matter the set-up so that they can get the car working at all tracks, which was the aim this year. They had a set target of 1:32 for high speed run and 1:37 for race pace for each car, based on engine modes. (no idea if they ran heavier fuel load or did standard fuel load like last year(ran what they usually would run in free practice))

What is your source?

[Redragon]

Apart from RB in the front; no one has a clear pecking order at this point. It keeps changing by the day.

Amen. people are acting like they know this year will be a failure based on body language, and badly translated interviews from news sources that didnt even exist before testing started. the only thing that ive seen anyone say that means anything is alonso saying how close the teams behind redbull are. nobody knows anything until next weekend. and even then, its probably going to be so close that it will change depending on the track.

Exactly,lot of fake news out there. But we know the simulations apromexly. Which was match with Ferrari at C3 and at c1 even better. Some guys out there did run at C4 but the best 1st sector it was for Alonso on the C3. Is enough for me:).

Also last year Alonso was new into the team and he was comparing ASMR 23 with his Alpine 22, so for sure was more upbeat and playing to the press that he did the right decision swaping teams, specially how Alpine treated him on his last year. This year could be 2 options too on that body language, there is not much improve from last year and is not as happy or he is playing the underdog. Don't think you can read much on body language compering to last year