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[CouncilorIrissa]

Most of the media suggest that Merc are ahead of Ferrari in race trim, btw.

[dialtone]

Most of the media suggest that Merc are ahead of Ferrari in race trim, btw.

Davidson kept saying that from start of day 3. Then LEC put down an even faster race sim and somehow that’s still unchanged. I don’t get it.

[CouncilorIrissa]

Most of the media suggest that Merc are ahead of Ferrari in race trim, btw.

Davidson kept saying that from start of day 3. Then LEC put down an even faster race sim and somehow that’s still unchanged. I don’t get it.

I don't either, but Allison seems to think so. Mercedes' pre-season antics is hard to get a read on.

[Vinlarr89]

From some of the graphics shown it’s very marginal on one stint. The Ferrari looked a fair bit in front on quali pace which would hopefully offset and put them down the road.
Again it’s all relative to different circuits, from the eye test the Merc didn’t appear as balanced but I didn’t watch every hour of testing.

Commentators always seem to talk down Ferrari. Happy for them to do so

[CaribouBread]

Allison, Davidson and Motorsport-total are the main sources for the Merc ahead of Ferrari story, rest seem to place Ferrari ahead of Merc.

[deadhead]

RB20 +10kph through 5-6-7 despite being on harder tires



LEC tried to match it but car said not this time



More here:

[FDD]

RB20 +10kph through 5-6-7 despite being on harder tires

https://ibb.co/hKrQZtr

LEC tried to match it but car said not this time

https://ibb.co/MN9Drj6

More here:

Car said "no" or LEC backed off

[DoctorRadio]

RB20 +10kph through 5-6-7 despite being on harder tires

https://ibb.co/hKrQZtr

LEC tried to match it but car said not this time

https://ibb.co/MN9Drj6

More here:

I think fuel load is more important than tyre compound in the high speed.

[Vanja #66]

Meme time

[organic]

Most of the media suggest that Merc are ahead of Ferrari in race trim, btw.

I believe that's as a result of Mercedes' own opinion

Allison stating that they believe they are ahead on race runs is not an insignificant data point. It's like Cardile saying the same: you'd believe that, no? Nobody at Ferrari has said we are 2nd fastest; at mercedes they've implied it at least over a race distance

Anyway. All I'm saying is that I can understand why the media have this impression. A lot of the voices you will hear from the media are in the paddock and are tapped into the moods in various camps and have friends in many teams

[CouncilorIrissa]

Most of the media suggest that Merc are ahead of Ferrari in race trim, btw.

I believe that's as a result of Mercedes' own opinion

Allison stating that they believe they are ahead on race runs is not an insignificant data point. It's like Cardile saying the same: you'd believe that, no?

I'm well aware, I'm not dismissing that. In fact, that's the only reason I'm bringing this up. Allison has a history of overselling his work a little (as opposed to what his team usually does), but not outright lying or bullshitting.

[Elite]

Really? Can you provide 2 examples of when he's done that?

[ferkan]

I still remember SF15T and win in Malaysia when Allison was giving interview saying "We just need to put a bit more downforce on it, a bit more power" something like that...then rest of the year and 2016 turned to be rather wimpy.

There have been many times wrong predictions in paddock after winter testing, particularly with SF90 in 2019 when everyone thought its lights out and then Merc came and crushed the buildings.

[AR3-GP]

I still remember SF15T and win in Malaysia when Allison was giving interview saying "We just need to put a bit more downforce on it, a bit more power" something like that...then rest of the year and 2016 turned to be rather wimpy.

There have been many times wrong predictions in paddock after winter testing, particularly with SF90 in 2019 when everyone thought its lights out and then Merc came and crushed the buildings.

He could have just been saying this stuff to keep his job. It was well known that Ferrari had a succeed or sack culture at that time.

[dialtone]

I still remember SF15T and win in Malaysia when Allison was giving interview saying "We just need to put a bit more downforce on it, a bit more power" something like that...then rest of the year and 2016 turned to be rather wimpy.

There have been many times wrong predictions in paddock after winter testing, particularly with SF90 in 2019 when everyone thought its lights out and then Merc came and crushed the buildings.

He could have just been saying this stuff to keep his job. It was well known that Ferrari had a succeed or sack culture at that time.

Clearly failed at not getting sacked I suppose. I think the primary point is just that there’s a general lack of data to show any support of his claims here. Obviously one can trust his judgement but we’d be ridiculing Ferrari if they made those claims with this amount of data, or at least someone would try and dissect the data to find ways to validate the claim somehow.