2024 Mclaren Formula 1 Team

[CjC]

We have to remember Ferrari developed well last season, and we're probably better over the last few races, and also started from a higher base. But all the signs are we gave improved, but as the team have said, you don't know what others will do.

Oh definitely.
I’m not one of those who are like ‘how dare *insert team* out develop Mclaren!’

Just I thought with the break through last season that Mclaren did, that they have the talent and know how already within the team to compete at the front.

But this is all an IF McLaren are 4th or 5th quickest this season.

[swifteddie1]

Ted Kravitz has McLaren in 4th.

His order is :-

Redbull
Ferrari
Mercedes
McLaren
Aston Martin
RB
Williams
Alpine
Haas

https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/s ... king-order

[BMMR61]

Ted Kravitz has McLaren in 4th.

His order is :-

Redbull
Ferrari
Mercedes
McLaren
Aston Martin
RB
Williams
Alpine
Haas

https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/s ... king-order

That gives me some comfort, he's one of the least credible pundits, if you could even call him that. I'd call him a would be comedian in a tag team with Croft.

[mwillems]

Remember on the last day of the test, half the car was doused with flouvise? I didn't understand then why Oscar drove the whole lap in 2nd gear, and now revisiting this moment in the tests, I came to some conclusions.

Perhaps the team deliberately decided to check the flow of air flows in slow corners, which are passed at 80-100 km/h? Could it have something to do with the front wing work? Who has any thoughts on this matter?

https://i.ibb.co/44NpwVQ/903-E01-E9-0-F ... 720-EA.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/sPdsrpL/33-A6-A838-7-E ... 967053.jpg

If that is what they did then yes, sounds like they were looking at the flow in low speed from the front of the car to the back.

Worryingly it could suggest that there is still some lack of understanding, even with the new facilities. Hopefully it is part of the Japan upgrade and they are just getting extra data. But I'm getting a feeling there may be a gap in understanding.

[CjC]

Remember on the last day of the test, half the car was doused with flouvise? I didn't understand then why Oscar drove the whole lap in 2nd gear, and now revisiting this moment in the tests, I came to some conclusions.

Perhaps the team deliberately decided to check the flow of air flows in slow corners, which are passed at 80-100 km/h? Could it have something to do with the front wing work? Who has any thoughts on this matter?

https://i.ibb.co/44NpwVQ/903-E01-E9-0-F ... 720-EA.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/sPdsrpL/33-A6-A838-7-E ... 967053.jpg

If that is what they did then yes, sounds like they were looking at the flow in low speed from the front of the car to the back.

Worryingly it could suggest that there is still some lack of understanding, even with the new facilities. Hopefully it is part of the Japan upgrade and they are just getting extra data. But I'm getting a feeling there may be a gap in understanding.

Been meaning to ask. Has a Japan upgrade been confirmed or is it just an assumption based on ‘in the early races’ statement ??

[LionsHeart]

Remember on the last day of the test, half the car was doused with flouvise? I didn't understand then why Oscar drove the whole lap in 2nd gear, and now revisiting this moment in the tests, I came to some conclusions.

Perhaps the team deliberately decided to check the flow of air flows in slow corners, which are passed at 80-100 km/h? Could it have something to do with the front wing work? Who has any thoughts on this matter?

https://i.ibb.co/44NpwVQ/903-E01-E9-0-F ... 720-EA.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/sPdsrpL/33-A6-A838-7-E ... 967053.jpg

If that is what they did then yes, sounds like they were looking at the flow in low speed from the front of the car to the back.

Worryingly it could suggest that there is still some lack of understanding, even with the new facilities. Hopefully it is part of the Japan upgrade and they are just getting extra data. But I'm getting a feeling there may be a gap in understanding.

Perhaps this is a test for complete correlation. Since I've never seen a flovise applied before and then driven so slowly. Usually go at least race pace to get an objective picture. This incident has been bugging me, assuming it's probably clutch issues. I think someone has posted about it here before.

I'll add: the team is happy to have got what they represented earlier in the test at the base. It means that in general the correlation is correct and that the work on updates is in the right direction. Also Lando mentioned that work on the car is going where it should. So I have no reason to be concerned.

[LionsHeart]

Remember on the last day of the test, half the car was doused with flouvise? I didn't understand then why Oscar drove the whole lap in 2nd gear, and now revisiting this moment in the tests, I came to some conclusions.

Perhaps the team deliberately decided to check the flow of air flows in slow corners, which are passed at 80-100 km/h? Could it have something to do with the front wing work? Who has any thoughts on this matter?

https://i.ibb.co/44NpwVQ/903-E01-E9-0-F ... 720-EA.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/sPdsrpL/33-A6-A838-7-E ... 967053.jpg

If that is what they did then yes, sounds like they were looking at the flow in low speed from the front of the car to the back.

Worryingly it could suggest that there is still some lack of understanding, even with the new facilities. Hopefully it is part of the Japan upgrade and they are just getting extra data. But I'm getting a feeling there may be a gap in understanding.

Been meaning to ask. Has a Japan upgrade been confirmed or is it just an assumption based on ‘in the early races’ statement ??

A very good mate of ours wrote about it. And kind of even mentioned that there is work going on at the edge of the floor.

[mwillems]

Remember on the last day of the test, half the car was doused with flouvise? I didn't understand then why Oscar drove the whole lap in 2nd gear, and now revisiting this moment in the tests, I came to some conclusions.

Perhaps the team deliberately decided to check the flow of air flows in slow corners, which are passed at 80-100 km/h? Could it have something to do with the front wing work? Who has any thoughts on this matter?

https://i.ibb.co/44NpwVQ/903-E01-E9-0-F ... 720-EA.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/sPdsrpL/33-A6-A838-7-E ... 967053.jpg

If that is what they did then yes, sounds like they were looking at the flow in low speed from the front of the car to the back.

Worryingly it could suggest that there is still some lack of understanding, even with the new facilities. Hopefully it is part of the Japan upgrade and they are just getting extra data. But I'm getting a feeling there may be a gap in understanding.

Perhaps this is a test for complete correlation. Since I've never seen a flovise applied before and then driven so slowly. Usually go at least race pace to get an objective picture. This incident has been bugging me, assuming it's probably clutch issues. I think someone has posted about it here before.

Hopefully.

It goes back to what I was saying at Austin.

There was discussion around mechanical grip being the issue, particularly at the rear. But the floor is not like the wings, it produces important downforce even at the apex of low speed corners, and if it is stalling in the corners you will struggle. Despite thinking the rear is all important on exit, you need the front end planted and not jumpy to accelerate out of corners and it was here that the issue appeared to lie at Austin and not with the rear. Away from the Apex the wings play an important role in that job too.

Bolting on more wing will help manage airflow in the corner by getting the load to a level the car is happy to work in, as well as increase traction on entry and exit, but obviously it's a tradeoff with the speed of the car. But the main issue does appear to be the floor stalling when the car has lower loads at the front. Whether that be because of speed or less wing.

I have to admit to being a bit worried on this trait, I thought they understood it. It's not good to read too much into text, but Stella seemed surprised.

[mwillems]

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/arti ... Mukau.html


“I’m feeling good, the car has definitely felt [like] an improvement in some areas, and in other areas still plenty to improve. A positive few days, but still a big gap to some of the guys ahead, so that’s a lot of work we still need to do over the next week or so to try and close that down already.”

Pushed further on where he thinks McLaren stand, he added: “We’re definitely quite a chunk behind Ferrari and quite a chunk behind Red Bull – I think they’re clearly a long way ahead.

[elldizzle]

I just find it hard to believe that Ferrari have stolen a big jump on us. Remember this is the teams first season switching to this car concept, same with Mercedes. I mean if they (Ferrari) have, then its mighty impressive. But I just feel, with Mclaren having ran this concept last year, we would be further ahead in our understanding of it. How to set the car up to maximise it and how to develop it. And that last point may be what it come down to. Who is able to push this concept further on during the season. We saw this with racing point when they copied Mercedes, They were quick, but they didnt know how to maximise it or develop it.

[mendis]

Any idea what Rob Marshall is doing and his involvement in development of the current car? He should have started with the team from January.

[swifteddie1]

Ted Kravitz has McLaren in 4th.

His order is :-

Redbull
Ferrari
Mercedes
McLaren
Aston Martin
RB
Williams
Alpine
Haas

https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/s ... king-order

That gives me some comfort, he's one of the least credible pundits, if you could even call him that. I'd call him a would be comedian in a tag team with Croft.

I think he's been pretty accurate in the past. Either way, Lando has even said that we cant do the Ferrari times, so at best we are 3rd.

[Fred]

Ted Kravitz has McLaren in 4th.

His order is :-

Redbull
Ferrari
Mercedes
McLaren
Aston Martin
RB
Williams
Alpine
Haas

https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/s ... king-order

That gives me some comfort, he's one of the least credible pundits, if you could even call him that. I'd call him a would be comedian in a tag team with Croft.

I think he's been pretty accurate in the past. Either way, Lando has even said that we cant do the Ferrari times, so at best we are 3rd.

It’s weird that we’re getting mixed messages. Lando and Oscar are saying Red Bull and Ferrari have a decent advantage, but Zak and Andrea are denying that. I don’t think it’s a good thing since we always see a single story, but I don’t really know what to make of it.

I’m assuming we’re behind them right now, but Red Bull and/or Ferrari aren’t as far ahead as the team expected. Potentially with the upcoming upgrades meaning we can expect to jump them.

Either way, the whole team seems really excited, including the drivers. So I suspect that we’re more or less where we ended last year and in that battle at the front, but with some exciting upgrades in the pipeline akin to the ones we had planned for last year. It’s just a case of how much the others can develop their cars as well, and it looks like Mercedes, Ferrari, and scarily Red Bull all have a lot of opportunities to go quicker as well.

[BrunoH]

i do think mclaren is ahead of mercedes...

[Chuckjr]

Indeed.