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Xyz22 wrote:
27 Feb 2024, 12:19
Clearly a lot of macro development in the diffuser area. Suggests a lot has gone into the overall floor, of course it cannot be seen!

Positive to hear from a few reports that Ferrari have identified the direction of development based on the testing. I think at the same point last year they didn’t know which way to develop the car.

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Vinlarr89 wrote:
27 Feb 2024, 23:49
Xyz22 wrote:
27 Feb 2024, 12:19
Clearly a lot of macro development in the diffuser area. Suggests a lot has gone into the overall floor, of course it cannot be seen!

Positive to hear from a few reports that Ferrari have identified the direction of development based on the testing. I think at the same point last year they didn’t know which way to develop the car.
No, they didn't have a --- clue. They had to spend a lot of time trying to understand what the hell was going on and never even had time to add pure performance to the car.

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gordonthegun wrote:
27 Feb 2024, 22:58
jambuka wrote:
27 Feb 2024, 22:41
Read somewhere that the 066/12 engine has about 25hp more than last year's 066/10 engine. Is this credible ?
It is possible to work on the ICE only for reliability reasons.
I too read on the "Scuderia Ferrari App" that the engine (ICE) is now 066/12, so apparently they worked on it as last year was 066/10, but 25 hp in search and as a result of greater reliability seems too much to me.
How much hp gain do you think they would have made if any ?

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Vinlarr89 wrote:
27 Feb 2024, 23:49
Xyz22 wrote:
27 Feb 2024, 12:19
Clearly a lot of macro development in the diffuser area. Suggests a lot has gone into the overall floor, of course it cannot be seen!

Positive to hear from a few reports that Ferrari have identified the direction of development based on the testing. I think at the same point last year they didn’t know which way to develop the car.
Aren't they planning to bring very small aero improvements this weekend itself ?

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jambuka wrote:
27 Feb 2024, 23:53
gordonthegun wrote:
27 Feb 2024, 22:58
jambuka wrote:
27 Feb 2024, 22:41
Read somewhere that the 066/12 engine has about 25hp more than last year's 066/10 engine. Is this credible ?
It is possible to work on the ICE only for reliability reasons.
I too read on the "Scuderia Ferrari App" that the engine (ICE) is now 066/12, so apparently they worked on it as last year was 066/10, but 25 hp in search and as a result of greater reliability seems too much to me.
How much hp gain do you think they would have made if any ?
Max 10 hp.

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jambuka wrote:
27 Feb 2024, 23:54
Vinlarr89 wrote:
27 Feb 2024, 23:49
Xyz22 wrote:
27 Feb 2024, 12:19
Clearly a lot of macro development in the diffuser area. Suggests a lot has gone into the overall floor, of course it cannot be seen!

Positive to hear from a few reports that Ferrari have identified the direction of development based on the testing. I think at the same point last year they didn’t know which way to develop the car.
Aren't they planning to bring very small aero improvements this weekend itself ?
They said they aren't, but nobody really knows.

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gordonthegun wrote:
27 Feb 2024, 23:35
Chuckjr wrote:
27 Feb 2024, 08:46
Does anyone know about how much faster in percentage the air is traveling at the compression points in the floor to create the Bernoulli effect? 10%? 40%? 60%? I’ve no clue. I was just curious the kinds of airspeeds they are dealing with in the floor tunnel compression phase.
You ask a very difficult question that is likely to be known only by a few persons in a team.
Using intuition alone, I would be led to think no more than 20%.

Maybe we could calculate it ourselves if we knew: 1) the total downforce at a given speed, 2) the speed of the car, and considering that the downforce created by the floor is about 60% of the total.
Thank you for responding. I thought that information in a general sense would be known by most. So it’s both surprising and informative to know that it’s so secretive.
Watching F1 since 1986.

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gordonthegun wrote:
27 Feb 2024, 22:58
jambuka wrote:
27 Feb 2024, 22:41
Read somewhere that the 066/12 engine has about 25hp more than last year's 066/10 engine. Is this credible ?
It is possible to work on the ICE only for reliability reasons.
I too read on the "Scuderia Ferrari App" that the engine (ICE) is now 066/12, so apparently they worked on it as last year was 066/10, but 25 hp in search and as a result of greater reliability seems too much to me.
It could be that they have been satisfied with the reliability over the last season and feel confident in running the ICE at higher power.

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Looks like plenty of scope to tweak the sidepods this year!!

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SF-24 ready for Bahrain GP 2024

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Some front suspension details:

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I could have sworn lower front brake duct winglets are all-new, but it is in fact final 2023 specification of the entire duct assembly. Perhaps this can tell us the interaction between floor (fences and turning vanes) and front brake ducts is more important than their interaction with front wing wake. 2023 spec:

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There are also some rear details from motorsport.com. Even though it looked like rear ducts are the same as last year, the assembly is new. There are tiny differences in overall scoop design, although the basic shape has the same concept.

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As for the (already posted) photos with emphasis on radiator intake duct, the manifold/diffuser is quite large compared to some competitors. We can maybe characterise it as conservative and designed for a bit more ram pressure effect. If that is the case, Ferrari may have more benefit from reducing frontal inlet surface for overall drag reduction than others. At the same time, they might find it more challenging to keep raising the lower inlet lip due to adverse pressure gradient. Maybe switch to RB20-style overbite sooner rather than later :mrgreen:
And they call it a stall. A STALL!

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To me looks like Ferrari choose lower DF RW in comparison to other teams.
Does this mean that they have better downforce generated by the floor or the rear suspension is working nice, or both.

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They have no spoon but the wing doesn’t look that much smaller to me.