Piquet - GONE!!! (At Last???)

[Shrek]

Well if you think about it It may have not been his favorite series/car to race in. case in point these are all nascar because i've just started following F1 in 2007 and i don't know where all the european drivers came but Jimmie Johnson had only 1 win(Chicagoland maybe 2001) in his Busch/Nationwide career before entering cup and now every team wants him in cup and he still not as good in the Nationwide as in Cup,So was Kasey Kahne even though i think it was the team he was with, now reversing Reed Sorensen was a championship contender in the Busch/Nationwide, but he is most likely going to get the boot at Richard Petty Motorsports.

[The FOZ]

But look at the difference between rosberg with 25.5 points and nakajima with 0.

When you look at that, i don't see piquet has done all that bad compared to others (this year)...

Says to me it was decided he was leaving before this season started

1. True, however, Williams is hardly in a position to get THAT much better of a racer with their budget. Also, is there not some sort of link between their Toyota engines and Nakajima's seat with the team?

2. Last season he was far less consistent, but did have better top results. This season, fewer crashes, poorer overall results.

3. Hence, the performance stipulations in his contract. It was an easy way to get rid of him, since it put a quantifiable requirement on him. He stays above the bar, no problem, he goes below the bar, he's out.

[ISLAMATRON]

Flav has executed the perfect 2 for 1 smash and grab. Took PK's money and gave him the seat with every intention of kicking him out of it and then doing the same to Grosjean, twice the money for the same seat, the only way Flav can be considered a great team principle.

Maybe over in Europe things are different, but to my mind, wouldn't holding both the team boss and a driver management positions be considered to be a conflict of interest? I mean, what's good for the racer and what's good for the team clearly do not coincide 100% of the time, then what does he do?

As if Flav has ever used ethical guidelines to regulate his behavior. HE does not care about what is good for the racer or for the team, only what is good for his pockets. If the team doing well helps his pockets then he's ok with it, otherwise his motto is "--- you, pay me!"

[vall]

Look at it like this. Alonso majority of the time had the better car. Hes got 13 points so far (1 retirement), Piquet 0 points (2 retirements?). But look at the difference between rosberg with 25.5 points and nakajima with 0.

When you look at that, i don't see piquet has done all that bad compared to others (this year)...

Says to me it was decided he was leaving before this season started

it is just Williams is a far better car. Look what happened at the end of the last season.

Here is a analysis of Piquet's 1.5 yeas in F1:

http://www.forumula1.net/2009/f1/featur ... or-piquet/

[nipo]

He had all the time this year to show what he's got but he didn't deliver. Then he complains about this and that.

I'm sure he's being treated unfairly as a clear #2 at Renault (after all that was the deal Flavio used to lure Fernando back), but his results are too far down to justify anything.

The next one should be Kazuki. I think Timo Glock is not very quick as well, although many of you wouldn't agree because in terms of points and consistency he's not too bad this year. Timo would remain as one of the second class in F1 but Kazuki won't be able to hang around for too long.

As for Fernando he's got the speed and talent but he's sometimes acting like a kid. We can recall his complaint to the team over radio in 2006, when he was leading the championship, that he wasn't being supported enough or something like that... I still have to see his "greatness".

Good luck to all the young drivers.

[Ray]

The huge difference between Piquets performance compared to other drivers in other teams is this. Piquet ALWAYS looked pissed off, he ALWAYS sounded so damn whiny, he NEVER sounded like he was happy with anything, he ALWAYS laid blame on the car or the tires or something else that cause him to not perform. That's how I see it from what I've seen on television here in the States. He is/was a whiner, a grouch, and just an all around unlikeable guy from his attitude on television. And it shows in his whining in that stupid pissing and moaning statement he released. You don't whine that your teammate got this or that, you step up and show that you deserve those parts just as soon as your teammate. You don't have to be faster than him, just show you want it, and judging by his demeanor and attitude during interviews he was a baby whiner at best.

[jamsbong]

Piquet has made unreasonable mistakes on track. I also think he can't cope well with the stressful qualifying rules where you must get one hot lap (before the tires worn out) to bring home the best time. He is the type that needs a gentle pace and F1 is never gonna be like that.

Sorry, but I won't miss this guy.

[Ray]

sure would be nice to have another 3 or 4 more teams on the grid so we ca see the honest development of young drivers like we got to see with Rubens, Alonso, Webber, Massa and others.

I said it awhile back in another thread, but I miss Minardi.

[mx_tifoso]

As for Fernando he's got the speed and talent but he's sometimes acting like a kid. We can recall his complaint to the team over radio in 2006, when he was leading the championship, that he wasn't being supported enough or something like that... I still have to see his "greatness".

I happen to see those same characteristics in Robert Kubica.

Piquet Sr. has too much money for Jr. to be gone too long. Doesn't Jr. have some South American sponsor backing along with his dads?

[ISLAMATRON]

The huge difference between Piquets performance compared to other drivers in other teams is this. Piquet ALWAYS looked pissed off, he ALWAYS sounded so damn whiny, he NEVER sounded like he was happy with anything, he ALWAYS laid blame on the car or the tires or something else that cause him to not perform. That's how I see it from what I've seen on television here in the States. He is/was a whiner, a grouch, and just an all around unlikeable guy from his attitude on television. And it shows in his whining in that stupid pissing and moaning statement he released. You don't whine that your teammate got this or that, you step up and show that you deserve those parts just as soon as your teammate. You don't have to be faster than him, just show you want it, and judging by his demeanor and attitude during interviews he was a baby whiner at best.

you talking bout PK jr or Bourdais? all the same I guess.

[Ray]

The huge difference between Piquets performance compared to other drivers in other teams is this. Piquet ALWAYS looked pissed off, he ALWAYS sounded so damn whiny, he NEVER sounded like he was happy with anything, he ALWAYS laid blame on the car or the tires or something else that cause him to not perform. That's how I see it from what I've seen on television here in the States. He is/was a whiner, a grouch, and just an all around unlikeable guy from his attitude on television. And it shows in his whining in that stupid pissing and moaning statement he released. You don't whine that your teammate got this or that, you step up and show that you deserve those parts just as soon as your teammate. You don't have to be faster than him, just show you want it, and judging by his demeanor and attitude during interviews he was a baby whiner at best.

you talking bout PK jr or Bourdais? all the same I guess.

I didn't think of it that way. I honestly liked Bourdais from what little I've seen of him. I refused to watch ChampCar, cause I hate single make engines/cars or anything close to it, so I haven't based my liking him off a whole lot. But Bourdais should have been gone long ago. And if I dare say it, I wish Scott Speed would come back to F1. I think he could have been better and improved, here in the States he's always got a smile on his face and always has time for an interview.

[ISLAMATRON]

As for Fernando he's got the speed and talent but he's sometimes acting like a kid. We can recall his complaint to the team over radio in 2006, when he was leading the championship, that he wasn't being supported enough or something like that... I still have to see his "greatness".

I happen to see those same characteristics in Robert Kubica.

Piquet Sr. has too much money for Jr. to be gone too long. Doesn't Jr. have some South American sponsor backing along with his dads?

VEry True, Alonso & Kubica are very negative, having a bad car is never a nice thing, but think how demoralizing it is for the crews when the driver is doing nothing but pissing and shitting on all your work. I know alot of people hate HAmilton for his press friendly happiness in front of the reporters, but I tend to think acknowledging the crew whether the car is crap or a world beater is one of his best traits. He always thanks the team for their hard work. To me this is as important as good feedback to the engineers.

[Patriiick]

dont worry about piquet..... Daddy Piquet Sr. is going to buy BMW just for his son..

Just sayin..

[SZ]

The huge difference between Piquets performance compared to other drivers in other teams is this. Piquet ALWAYS looked pissed off, he ALWAYS sounded so damn whiny, he NEVER sounded like he was happy with anything, he ALWAYS laid blame on the car or the tires or something else that cause him to not perform. That's how I see it from what I've seen on television here in the States. He is/was a whiner, a grouch, and just an all around unlikeable guy from his attitude on television. And it shows in his whining in that stupid pissing and moaning statement he released. You don't whine that your teammate got this or that, you step up and show that you deserve those parts just as soon as your teammate. You don't have to be faster than him, just show you want it, and judging by his demeanor and attitude during interviews he was a baby whiner at best.

'Unlikeable' doesn't make you slow. I wouldn't expect Schumacher to replace Conan O'Brien on the Tonight Show, but he was quick.

You'd probably be pissing and moaning too if you went from second in the F1 feeder category to a guy that you'd beaten before and that's since been WDC (a sloppy championship at that) to wasting three years of your young racing life in a team that didn't give you latest updates and gave you significantly less testing time than a guy that arguably doesn't need it as much as you.

He's got a point. The cars have developed a lot in in 2009 - updates at every race and no testing - your career is basically f*cked if you're not getting the latest updates.

Getting on with the job is not the same as making a fundamentally slow car fast and is not made easier by watching your team mate put the a car with updates you should also have on pole whilst you're struggling - significantly off his pace to put the thing beyond Q1 - worse when you're then expected to turn miracles with the same slower, not-updated car with 30-40kg more fuel.

When teams do that they're focussed on one driver, one driver only and any success for the second is reserved for yellow flag or changeable weather miracles (see Germany 2008). They also shoot themselves in the foot in the WCC when the car/team asses it from P1 (see last round). Flavio suggesting the team is represented solely by Fernando in the WCC is a two edged sword. He's damn making sure that's the case too. He's building the team's performance around one driver only and filling the second car for FIA requirements and sponsor obligations/cash. The FIA's in-season test ban isn't really helping rookies get beyond rookie performance either.

Any driver paired with Fernando at Renault is going to have a very hard time - they'll be there to fill a car. Fernando is very quick and does not like internal competition for resources. He's also known to get stroppy when someone new and promising is given the same resources and performs admirably. Ask LH.

We should add that as far as rookie potential is confirmed, Lewis isn't the be-all and end all. There was some kid called Nelson Piquet Jr who used to show him the way home from time to time.

Given all of that, you might be a little pissy too.

Nakajima's a little different. He's not getting a markedly lesser car but performing so...

vall... that article is exceptionally poorly written.

[vall]

vall... that article is exceptionally poorly written.

It may not be the best article in the world but says many true things.

Complaining about less testing makes no sense to me, especially in his case. A F1 driver should be able to adapt to the car after half a day testing. This is what happens when the first test in Dec after a long break. Piguet did lots of testing 2007, then raced full time in 2008 and 2009. He's got enough experience. As I said, he has not shown any improvement. Ok, he may not get the same cat as FA for some races, but even when he had the same, he miserably failed to match FA. Just look at his results, even only at the races they have the same equipment if you wish....

VEry True, Alonso & Kubica are very negative, having a bad car is never a nice thing, but think how demoralizing it is for the crews when the driver is doing nothing but pissing and shitting on all your work. I know alot of people hate HAmilton for his press friendly happiness in front of the reporters, but I tend to think acknowledging the crew whether the car is crap or a world beater is one of his best traits. He always thanks the team for their hard work. To me this is as important as good feedback to the engineers.

yeah, right. Look at him in the press. conf. in Malaisia Looked very happy and thankful to the team.....

Better say the team you did a shitty work, that take LH behavior. LH and HK did not tell ML the car is --- and the pre-season testing and what happened? one week before the season the suddenly realized they were 2.5s off the pace. If already at the first test LH told them, "look, the car is shitty and un-drivable, work hard to improve it" then perhaps should would have not happened?

As for RK, if in 2008 BMW pushed hard the development and support him, he probably had a fair chance to fight for the WDC. Instead they put lots of resources to help their struggling German driver instead of supporting RK for the title.

FA complained in 2006? Well, when you fight for the WDC you cannot afford you team to do a shitty job. People are different and some complain some don't (e.g Massa how lost the title last year almost entirely due to faults of his team and gifted it to LH)