Red Bull RB20

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Andi76 wrote:
28 Feb 2024, 15:32
At the end of the day, I think too much fuss is made about it anyway. Because if you look closely at the pictures of the probable cooling inlets from certain perspectives, they are not much smaller in total than 2023. But packed in such a way that the undercut could be made "bigger" and better yaw/pitch inertia values could be achieved with only a slight increase in CoG, so that a performance gain was made.
According to some aero experts from Italian racing industry that was target, especially they emphasize that cooling inlets "...are not much smaller in total than 2023.", to be precise they clearly said that are the same.
Is it the right compromise or how right, as you say will see...

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Yeah makes sense. Though there are some big and obvious changes it still seems the core of the RB20 design remains teh same. The undercut sidepods etc.

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Watto wrote:
29 Feb 2024, 00:44
Yeah makes sense. Though there are some big and obvious changes it still seems the core of the RB20 design remains teh same. The undercut sidepods etc.
The core components seem to be the same yes. Downwash, undercuts, anti-dive, backed off front-wing etc.

I think RB have saved up all the development of the last couple of years and will introduce it at Suzuka and Imola. Can't wait for the transformation of the RB20

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f1isgood wrote:
29 Feb 2024, 01:14
Watto wrote:
29 Feb 2024, 00:44
Yeah makes sense. Though there are some big and obvious changes it still seems the core of the RB20 design remains teh same. The undercut sidepods etc.
The core components seem to be the same yes. Downwash, undercuts, anti-dive, backed off front-wing etc.

I think RB have saved up all the development of the last couple of years and will introduce it at Suzuka and Imola. Can't wait for the transformation of the RB20
Yep will be interesting to see where they head.

I though it was telling to when even James Allison said they haven't really been able to figure out what RB are upto with their cooling ducts by the drivers head that there is more to them than meets the eye.

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RedBull's cooling design philosophy is bring all the coolers as much forward as possible so that the hot air blowing off of them gets time to straighten up before exiting the engine cover. Should be cleaner air flow to the rear wings.
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Is that reservoir part of the running car? Looks like the sidepod isn't even close to "shrink wrapping" what's under it? Ie - that there's several inches of space there?

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I'd have thought they'd put the piping inboard to prevent cooling being damaged by "aggressive contact" :?:

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Interesting! So I was wrong after all and the inlets behind the driver's helmet are actually for cooling. I'm still wondering how this turbulent air is actually supposed to dissipate a lot of heat, but either Red Bull has actually found a way to make this work, or it's just to add a small, otherwise missing, minimal cooling capacity. Either way, either Honda seems to have reduced the required cooling capacity quite significantly, or Red Bull seems to have increased the performance of the cooling system considerably. Or the turbulence in the area in question has been reduced so that this air can be used adequately for cooling. Whatever the case may be - a great achievement for which I have great respect!
I'm really looking forward to the performance of the car and how much progress has been made compared to the RB19, because this solution undoubtedly increases the CoG and I'm curious to see to what extent the aerodynamic advantages outweigh the disadvantages. In the meantime, I also doubt an improvement in pitch/yaw intertia due to the certainly greater distance to the CoG. Now I understand James Allison's comments, because this solution is completely contrary to what you would expect regarding the importance of CoG, Pitch/Yaw Inertia for performance. But it seems that with these new ground effect cars, the biggest performance generator is actually the undercut due to its importance for the ground and diffuser, which in turn could possibly mean that other teams could have greater development potential. However, as this solution proves, you never know what's coming. Technically, these future developments for 2024 and 25 will definitely be very interesting!

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Might that be the reason for those cannons to drop heavily on the rear?
To have suction created from the high speed air on top of the diffuser, sucking air to those inlets on the halo?
Would that be feasible?

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I presume this is RB20

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lots of new fresh pictures on twitter from the rb. I have to say. The journalists are so easy. RB could have come out with whatever and journalists would have gone crazy. There is no doubt the car is fast, cause rb always is and they know what they are doing, and it has bold choices. But the level of mass histeria with this car at the moment is just. Almost monte pythonsk in its exageration.

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f1rules wrote:
29 Feb 2024, 12:40
lots of new fresh pictures on twitter from the rb. I have to say. The journalists are so easy. RB could have come out with whatever and journalists would have gone crazy. There is no doubt the car is fast, cause rb always is and they know what they are doing, and it has bold choices. But the level of mass histeria with this car at the moment is just. Almost monte pythonsk in its exageration.
Spot on. I think it will be the car to beat but others aren't as far away as Bahrain last year in my opinion.

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So the radiators are in a v arrangement (>). I wonder where the innermost cooling slot actually goes, as it looks like it doesn't feed into the sidepods from this picture.
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if i dont remember wrongly, ferrari actually had v positioned radiators years ago, i dont know if any did before that, but yeah interesting with the cooling

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f1isgood wrote:
29 Feb 2024, 12:43
f1rules wrote:
29 Feb 2024, 12:40
lots of new fresh pictures on twitter from the rb. I have to say. The journalists are so easy. RB could have come out with whatever and journalists would have gone crazy. There is no doubt the car is fast, cause rb always is and they know what they are doing, and it has bold choices. But the level of mass histeria with this car at the moment is just. Almost monte pythonsk in its exageration.
Spot on. I think it will be the car to beat but others aren't as far away as Bahrain last year in my opinion.
According to Stella the gap will be bigger compared to Abu Dhabi. Now it's not clear if he was talking about McL only or all the others as well.

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