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Erik van Haren is the only guy so far who has publicly claimed he has seen all this evidence.
Apart from him, the independent barrister, Horner and the victim would have access to the evidence other than the RB board.
It is clear that regardless of whatever happens, someone wants Horner sacked from RB. Power struggle theories make far more sense now. Don't see any other reason for the leak.
not only him, many journalists said they saw the evidence last week but can't publish it
Erik van Haren is the only guy so far who has publicly claimed he has seen all this evidence.
Apart from him, the independent barrister, Horner and the victim would have access to the evidence other than the RB board.
It is clear that regardless of whatever happens, someone wants Horner sacked from RB. Power struggle theories make far more sense now. Don't see any other reason for the leak.
not only him, many journalists said they saw the evidence last week but can't publish it
That will change now though if everyone in the media and the grid got copies!
Erik van Haren is the only guy so far who has publicly claimed he has seen all this evidence.
Apart from him, the independent barrister, Horner and the victim would have access to the evidence other than the RB board.
It is clear that regardless of whatever happens, someone wants Horner sacked from RB. Power struggle theories make far more sense now. Don't see any other reason for the leak.
Either van Haren but more likely RB Austria. Seems quite clear there is a split between the Austrian side of the business and the Thai side, but the Thais have a controlling stake.
I told you it’s classic Red Bull! They’ll never touch Horner, Verstapen or Marko (and probably Newey)!
Announcing “an independent investigation” (when nobody really knows who was the one doing the investigation and what his relationship with Red Bull is) was clearly done for the sake of doing something instead of staying tight lipped!
Not to mention them never announcing the details of the investigation even though they said they would and even their global partner Ford went out of their way into questioning the whole saga and asking for answers!
This clearly smells like covering! After all these 3 I mentioned above have been toxic since day 1 in formula 1! It wouldn’t surprise me one bit if they’re also toxic inside their jobs, homes and relations…
"The only rule is there are no rules" - Aristotle Onassis
Well yesterday someone on the other thread said that Horner should sue the dutch paper "De telegraaf", i was tempted to respond but didnt bother too.
As in face the newspaper did report what was true at those times about the investigation being started and later on what was the reason why the investigation was started.
Funny was that the newspaper also posted an article about the fact Horner was cleared, but later on they posted another article about that Horner was not in the clear yet behind their paywall.
So it seemed to me someone really wants to take him down. Otherwise why why, 2 articles same day dutch newspaper ? None of the other world media had 2 articles about it on the same day:
The 2nd from behind the paywall :
Christian Horner acquitted, but ranks within Red Bull are by no means closed
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By ERIK VAN HAREN
Edited: Yesterday, 9:20 PMYesterday, 8:46 PM in AUTOSPORT
Independent of Horner's actions, whatever they may be, I find the "I didn't get the outcome I wanted from the legal system, so I'm going to take it to the court of public opinion" strategy extremely repulsive. Disappointing is not strong enough of a word. People have no standards, no respect for institutions, no qualms about the fact that sensationalism sells better than due process. It's the kind of legal strategy you'd expect from an Orwell story or in a more satirical or darkly humorous context a Verhoeven movie like Robocop or Starship Troopers. I am not familiar with European legal proceedings, but the fact that these files were obtained in the first place suggests at best questionable actions, possibly even tampering with an investigation or someone who, after the fact, took the law into their own hands. Surely there are NDAs on this; it's not uncommon for far less sensitive topics to be hit with NDAs, so already you have legal issues there. IF this information was stolen that opens another can of worms. If it's not true, then this would be a prime candidate for a slander/libel suit. Maybe this is OT but there isn't really somewhere else on this site such a message would be appropriate.
"You can't argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience"
- Mark Twain
Independent of Horner's actions, whatever they may be, I find the "I didn't get the outcome I wanted from the legal system, so I'm going to take it to the court of public opinion" strategy extremely repulsive. Disappointing is not strong enough of a word. People have no standards, no respect for institutions, no qualms about the fact that sensationalism sells better than due process. It's the kind of legal strategy you'd expect from an Orwell story or in a more satirical or darkly humorous context a Verhoeven movie like Robocop or Starship Troopers. I am not familiar with European legal proceedings, but the fact that these files were obtained in the first place suggests at best questionable actions, possibly even tampering with an investigation or someone who, after the fact, took the law into their own hands. Surely there are NDAs on this; it's not uncommon for far less sensitive topics to be hit with NDAs, so already you have legal issues there. IF this information was stolen that opens another can of worms. If it's not true, then this would be a prime candidate for a slander/libel suit. Maybe this is OT but there isn't really somewhere else on this site such a message would be appropriate.
Holy moly - there are reports of the evidence being leaked
If the evidence is legit? Then I think it'll be one of the most explosive F1 stories ever.
Especially if Ford weren't given sight of the full report.
Where does that leave Red Bull though? I don't understand why they would sacrifice their entire teams legacy for Horner if they tried to bury this.
They must have known there would have been this reaction surely?
