2024 Alpine F1 Team

[Xyz22]

Also, the new car seems the result of a very inefficient structure/organization. They are saying the car is both overweighted and draggy. How is it possible that they made a completely new chassis that is over the minimum weight in 2024 (3 years into the reg cycle) ? Moreover, how do you even think to make a draggy car if you have an underpowered PU? It doesn't make any sense from a technical design perspective as well.

Alpine have introduced a bunch of new technologies in the areas which we can't see like the suspension and internal aero shielding etc. These technologies already exist at teams like RB and McLaren but it's first time for Alpine.

These parts are also not as optimised since it's the first time Alpine is using them so naturally these parts will be quite a lot heavier than they should be.

Also, there are limitations to what is possible with their current infrastructure. The driver in loop simulator they are currently are using is a used unit bought from McLaren ages ago. It's extremely outdated and can't be trusted too much which is the reason behind their consistently conservative upgrades and evolutions.

Alpine have invested in a new a state of the simulator and various other facilities but those will come online at the earliest by 2025 so till then they have to make the best with what they have.

Thanks for this recap.
But this makes even more clear the massive mismatch between expectations (and statements released by management through interviews, etc.) and what was actually possible.

[kptaylor]

Both drivers out of contract at year's end, will they stubbornly try to stick with an "all French team"? From the looks of things I can't see either driver wanting to stay if other seats open up.

[organic]

he is on the Alpine list as the first option for a landing or, rather, a return to Enstone in 2025.

https://formu1a.uno/en/mike-elliott-phi ... 20-design/

[Jambier]

Both drivers out of contract at year's end, will they stubbornly try to stick with an "all French team"? From the looks of things I can't see either driver wanting to stay if other seats open up.

I don’t think the French line up was something they wanted.

Keeping Gasly is a good thing for them, and for the other driver… it will be difficult now to have better with their performance showing

There is the need to have a strong direction to build for 2026 that is the last chance to be a top team

[yepp4]

Agree on the full french stuff, it was just a marketing stunt.
Esteban will want to leave for sure, he has done his time, Pierre maybe not ? He may not have many options. Taking back Carlos would be weird.
Victor Martins is a strong prospect and could help to forget the shitshow with Piastri, plus he will be cheaper.

Martins + Pin would be wild though !

[makecry]

Agree on the full french stuff, it was just a marketing stunt.
Esteban will want to leave for sure, he has done his time, Pierre maybe not ? He may not have many options. Taking back Carlos would be weird.
Victor Martins is a strong prospect and could help to forget the shitshow with Piastri, plus he will be cheaper.


Martins + Pin would be wild though !

The number of comments in alpine thread across the internet tell you how bad the whole “marketing stunt” is. They lost any relevancy they had in terms of popularity when they decided to let go of one of the most marketable drivers on the grid.

[Jambier]

Agree on the full french stuff, it was just a marketing stunt.
Esteban will want to leave for sure, he has done his time, Pierre maybe not ? He may not have many options. Taking back Carlos would be weird.
Victor Martins is a strong prospect and could help to forget the shitshow with Piastri, plus he will be cheaper.


Martins + Pin would be wild though !

The number of comments in alpine thread across the internet tell you how bad the whole “marketing stunt” is. They lost any relevancy they had in terms of popularity when they decided to let go of one of the most marketable drivers on the grid.

By the way, this was the best ALO move since decades .. for once he changed to something better

[CaribouBread]

Paddock is saying the car is 10 kg overweight. Add the power deficit, and that's a few tenths lost right there. D:

[continuum16]

Based solely off their lack of paint I'm inclined to believe they're overweight. 10 kg is around 0.3; let's say there's 0.2 in the PU. That's like 30s in race time assuming the race goes green the whole way (no SC/VSC). With the field as close as it is that's the difference between P6 and P10 in the WCC I reckon.

I'm not sure how in year 3 of the rules the car is *heavier* than previous cars. I get that they switched concept but Williams, who finished behind them in 2023, switched concept as well (so much that Albon felt like the car "had been made by a different team") and Vowles has said in interviews a lot of this was to reduce weight. I'm not sure the car will be faster than last year's car was in Quali at this point. That being said I know Gasly was last here in 2023 Quali so maybe Bahrain is a bogey track but this has the potential to get ugly real fast.

[Enstone]

8 years after they return... Renalpine is stuck behind, now at the bottom... may they should consider to sell this team to someone who really wants to do F1 such as Andretti or whatever !

[dren]

Yeah, quite shocking if they are really overweight.

[JordanMugen]

Don't think all should be doom and gloom

Excellent! What is Alpine-Renault's WCC target for 2024? P7?

[factory_p]

Once again Alpine starts fresh after yet another top management reshuffle last year. What the team would really need is 4-5 years of continuity. So far they never trust the process and as soon as 1 season goes badly they sack the lead aero, the chief technical officer and/or the team principal. You can't manage an F1 team with this kind of knee jerk reactions.
They need to build a team, trust it, give it time, and see where they're at.
So now again, we have to hope the team can get to work from the new base, develop it, and see where they end up late 2025 and mostly in 2026/2027 with the new regs.

[diffuser]

When do you fire the Big guy, that fired the guys that said they couldn't challenge at the sharp end in the time line the Big wanted, now that they have gone massively backwards?

[PowerandtheGlory]

Brain drain at Enstone. They lost ‘Fry’ and fired Permane, and didn’t replace them. Instead promoting from within. Shame, feels like they are running the team down deliberately. That’s a proud team, and they won’t be happy being behind haas and Sauber…