2024 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

[SoulPancake13]

Bahrain being RB's best track in 2023 is a little misleading imo. It's only their best track because two teams had wheelchairs instead of cars at the start of 2023. Pretty sure that's not going to be the case this year.

Kind of agree with this but do still feel that many are exaggerating Red Bulls advantage for that same reason, I feel the advantage a lot perceive in 2024 is based on the advantage they had in 2023, I think many are ignoring that the size of that advantage owed a lot to the fact that their usual two nearest rivals turned up with flawed cars, cars that remained flawed all year, even if they were less flawed by season end.

I'm mostly drawing my conclusions from how ridiculously good their car is in high-speed corners in race trim compared to everyone else. I fail to see how Saudi Arabia will be any better.

RB20 was equal to the SF24 quali in T11-T13, yet took off in the race in the same section. And it does not look like anyone has a clue of what to do about it. I'm not sure that "just slap moar downforce" is the answer at this point.

That's not totally the case - Max took off compared to Sainz. Looking at Charles, they are either matched or Charles at times is faster(this is in stint 3, so lower fuel may play a part too tbf), and who knows how his braking into T11 was affected.

[dialtone]

Kind of agree with this but do still feel that many are exaggerating Red Bulls advantage for that same reason, I feel the advantage a lot perceive in 2024 is based on the advantage they had in 2023, I think many are ignoring that the size of that advantage owed a lot to the fact that their usual two nearest rivals turned up with flawed cars, cars that remained flawed all year, even if they were less flawed by season end.

I'm mostly drawing my conclusions from how ridiculously good their car is in high-speed corners in race trim compared to everyone else. I fail to see how Saudi Arabia will be any better.

RB20 was equal to the SF24 quali in T11-T13, yet took off in the race in the same section. And it does not look like anyone has a clue of what to do about it. I'm not sure that "just slap moar downforce" is the answer at this point.

That's not totally the case - Max took off compared to Sainz. Looking at Charles, they are either matched or Charles at times is faster(this is in stint 3, so lower fuel may play a part too tbf), and who knows how his braking into T11 was affected.

Hard to know about t11 braking, but in the first laps the advantage was also against Charles.

[SoulPancake13]

I'm mostly drawing my conclusions from how ridiculously good their car is in high-speed corners in race trim compared to everyone else. I fail to see how Saudi Arabia will be any better.

RB20 was equal to the SF24 quali in T11-T13, yet took off in the race in the same section. And it does not look like anyone has a clue of what to do about it. I'm not sure that "just slap moar downforce" is the answer at this point.

That's not totally the case - Max took off compared to Sainz. Looking at Charles, they are either matched or Charles at times is faster(this is in stint 3, so lower fuel may play a part too tbf), and who knows how his braking into T11 was affected.

Hard to know about t11 braking, but in the first laps the advantage was also against Charles.

To me it's impossible to judge Charles's first stint - the braking issues caused him to chew through the tyre. You likely are still correct, but we don't have a representative comparison through the whole race imo.

[CouncilorIrissa]

Kind of agree with this but do still feel that many are exaggerating Red Bulls advantage for that same reason, I feel the advantage a lot perceive in 2024 is based on the advantage they had in 2023, I think many are ignoring that the size of that advantage owed a lot to the fact that their usual two nearest rivals turned up with flawed cars, cars that remained flawed all year, even if they were less flawed by season end.

I'm mostly drawing my conclusions from how ridiculously good their car is in high-speed corners in race trim compared to everyone else. I fail to see how Saudi Arabia will be any better.

RB20 was equal to the SF24 quali in T11-T13, yet took off in the race in the same section. And it does not look like anyone has a clue of what to do about it. I'm not sure that "just slap moar downforce" is the answer at this point.

That's not totally the case - Max took off compared to Sainz. Looking at Charles, they are either matched or Charles at times is faster(this is in stint 3, so lower fuel may play a part too tbf), and who knows how his braking into T11 was affected.

He did take off on softs in the first stint, where the cars are at its heaviest, even before Charles started locking up (lap 1-2). It got better in the second, and the third stint is pretty much irrelevant as the cars are light.

[dia6olo]

I don't think anyone is disputing Max and Red Bulls advantage, I think the dispute is the margin, I'm not so convinced it's as big as some think it is.

[SoulPancake13]

I'm mostly drawing my conclusions from how ridiculously good their car is in high-speed corners in race trim compared to everyone else. I fail to see how Saudi Arabia will be any better.

RB20 was equal to the SF24 quali in T11-T13, yet took off in the race in the same section. And it does not look like anyone has a clue of what to do about it. I'm not sure that "just slap moar downforce" is the answer at this point.

That's not totally the case - Max took off compared to Sainz. Looking at Charles, they are either matched or Charles at times is faster(this is in stint 3, so lower fuel may play a part too tbf), and who knows how his braking into T11 was affected.

He did take off on softs in the first stint, where the cars are at its heaviest, even before Charles started locking up (lap 1-2). It got better in the second, and the third stint is pretty much irrelevant as the cars are light.

Charles said the issue started from lap 1 still. I guess we will wait and see, but I think we will be within 0.2-0.3 roughly in the race.

[Xyz22]

This was Leclerc pace last year in Bahrain in the first stint with soft tyres compared to Sainz.

I don't think that the difference would have been as big this year because the SF 23 was a --- disaster and if one of the drivers was out of the right setup window (which was difficult to get right as they didn't have a clue of what the car was doing) the pace was nowhere (happened to Leclerc as well in Miami for example).

In any event, Leclerc has always been very competitive in Bahrain, so i'm really disappointed we couldn't see what he would have been capable of doing with the SF 24.
Max was probably too quick to compete for the win, but who knows, maybe putting a bit of pressure would have been possible. Vasseur is absolutely right when he said he wasn't happy at all with the results, despite the improvements made compared to one year ago.

[deadhead]

I'm not superstitious but LEC seems to be really unlucky.. too many times now

[Xyz22]

I'm not superstitious but LEC seems to be really unlucky.. too many times now

Ferrari is one of the worst teams in F1 in terms of on track operations, unfortunately.

[Vinlarr89]

Not just luck either. I still question overall weekend strategies, even down to scrubbing an unnecessary set of softs in q1.

Still think ferrari can be more aggressive with race strategies, and managing in race situations. That said. Last year there was a theme of never getting the run of the green with the safety car et al

[bagajohny]

Not just luck either. I still question overall weekend strategies, even down to scrubbing an unnecessary set of softs in q1.

Still think ferrari can be more aggressive with race strategies, and managing in race situations. That said. Last year there was a theme of never getting the run of the green with the safety car et al

You can criticize them all you want for other things but this was not a bad call. Hindsight is a bitch. Had LEC been out in Q1, I don't need to tell you how everyone would have reacted.

[Vanja #66]

You can criticize them all you want for other things but this was not a bad call. Hindsight is a bitch. Had LEC been out in Q1, I don't need to tell you how everyone would have reacted.

He wouldn't have been out. Before they made him go out again, he had more than 7 tenths to P16 I think. In the end, he didn't do the lap and the advantage was still 5 tenths. It was a comfortable margin.

[dialtone]

You can criticize them all you want for other things but this was not a bad call. Hindsight is a bitch. Had LEC been out in Q1, I don't need to tell you how everyone would have reacted.

He wouldn't have been out. Before they made him go out again, he had more than 7 tenths to P16 I think. In the end, he didn't do the lap and the advantage was still 5 tenths. It was a comfortable margin.

The real issue IMHO was less that but that they used that set of tires for Q3 instead of Q2. But it happened before that Ferrari had a quick lap on used tires to end Q2 in preparation for Q3. Usually drivers don't adjust their braking points for that, anyway doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things.

[Vanja #66]

The real issue IMHO was less that but that they used that set of tires for Q3 instead of Q2. But it happened before that Ferrari had a quick lap on used tires to end Q2 in preparation for Q3. Usually drivers don't adjust their braking points for that, anyway doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things.

Yes, this is also true. My only explanation is they've already predetermined which set will be used for which Q session and did not want to mix them up on tyre racks. On some tracks Ferrari (and others) go into Q3 with 1 used and 1 new set of Softs, I guess Bahrain's strong braking points and abrasive surface can really mess up your rhythm when driving on used tyres since almost all teams in Q3 went in with 2 new sets.

[KimiRai]

I'm not superstitious but LEC seems to be really unlucky.. too many times now

Ferrari is one of the worst teams in F1 in terms of on track operations, unfortunately.

It didn't use to be like this and you don't need to go back to the Schumacher and Todt era. I remember during the Alonso era (apart from rare exceptions such as AD10) race operations were honestly quite good and it was one of the reasons Ferrari could fight for the championship with cars that lacked pace, along with driver skill and reliability. Strategy was inventive and bold, good tyre management helped Alonso jump places during the race and pitstops were decent, but the issue at the time was that the cars were plainly slow. I'm not sure who or what changed that made them become poor in some of those areas over the years.