PU integration in the car is the job of Honda?
I think the goal in Jeddah is to get closer to that group yes. Lets see what they are able to do, even if we finish P9 again but by a noticeably closer distance it would be a good improvement already in only a week.
Call me Crazy, but if Alonso can repeat the Bahrain speed ,then in Jeddah he can easily put the Aston in the first row at qualification. The race is an another story (if they waiting to Safety car) ,but the car top speed is decent.
Krack said they hope to be closer in Jeddah. Obviously I dont think we can expect too big of a change in a single week.
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/asto ... /10582933/“[For Jeddah] we will have some small developments to improve the car. And we hope that we can be closer.
I agree. In general, I think, single lap speed is harder to improve than degradation. Especially after only 1 race.OnEcRiTiCaL wrote: ↑05 Mar 2024, 14:12Call me Crazy, but if Alonso can repeat the Bahrain speed ,then in Jeddah he can easily put the Aston in the first row at qualification. The race is an another story (if they waiting to Safety car) ,but the car top speed is decent.
Just as the success of the Mercedes engine is not due to Harman. He also made statements in the presentation of the A524 taking responsibility and then 2 weeks later he makes his own resignation. I don't want to blame everything, but what did he do to make things better?-wkst- wrote: ↑05 Mar 2024, 08:31PU integration in the car is the job of Honda?
Harman switched from Mercedes powertrains to the Mercedes F1 team in 2011 and stayed there until 2018 to lead exactly this area (PU integration and transmission design).
@xReVo
I don't think the misery of Alpine/Renault has anything to do with a single individuum...
These are circuit specific improvements. Honestly, for me Aston Martin, after half the past season used as a test, cannot afford to be the fifth force, even with this gap. But are you really satisfied with this? It looks like the amr23 post Canada, same problems on the front after months and months of testing etc. I was confident and optimistic, but little by little it's slipping awayKimiRai wrote: ↑05 Mar 2024, 14:53Krack said they hope to be closer in Jeddah. Obviously I dont think we can expect too big of a change in a single week.
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/asto ... /10582933/“[For Jeddah] we will have some small developments to improve the car. And we hope that we can be closer.
Stroll Sr himself said the target for 2024 was to improve from 5th place so yes you are right, anything below that is a failure.xReVo wrote: ↑05 Mar 2024, 17:39Honestly, for me Aston Martin, after half the past season used as a test, cannot afford to be the fifth force, even with this gap. But are you really satisfied with this? It looks like the amr23 post Canada, same problems on the front after months and months of testing etc. I was confident and optimistic, but little by little it's slipping away
If Aston wouldn't be fast at 1lap I would worry also, because last year after Canada this happened. But this year actually Aston was fast on 1lap and in all sector! Anyway if you check the Q3 times from 23vs24 ,then they made a huge step at winter,just of course others made also. I think in the car have potential to fight against Ferrari,Mercedes and McLaren. I would wait at least more 2 race.KimiRai wrote: ↑05 Mar 2024, 17:47Stroll Sr himself said the target for 2024 was to improve from 5th place so yes you are right, anything below that is a failure.xReVo wrote: ↑05 Mar 2024, 17:39Honestly, for me Aston Martin, after half the past season used as a test, cannot afford to be the fifth force, even with this gap. But are you really satisfied with this? It looks like the amr23 post Canada, same problems on the front after months and months of testing etc. I was confident and optimistic, but little by little it's slipping away
I think you should just stop solely look at results or "corporate speak" at presentations to judge if someone is good or not. Alpine simply has not the working environment or support from Renault needed to succeed in F1, simply as that. Every good engineer will jump ship rather sooner than later. Harman has earned a very good reputation at Mercedes, he won't need long to find a new good job I strongly believe...xReVo wrote: ↑05 Mar 2024, 17:36Just as the success of the Mercedes engine is not due to Harman. He also made statements in the presentation of the A524 taking responsibility and then 2 weeks later he makes his own resignation. I don't want to blame everything, but what did he do to make things better?
For your information, the gap in the flying lap between Aston, Ferrari and Redbull was almost 4 tenths (taking Leclerc's time in Q2 as a reference), which is a lot. And this happened in Bahrain which is not a motor track, in other tracks such as Baku, Monza but also Arabia itself, potentially in the flying lap he will take 1 second of gap. (without thinking about the race pace which will be even worse). Do you understand my concerns now? This is why I keep saying that the first race was fundamental, but it's gone now. And don't expect McLaren-style improvements, because I remember they had them after the proprietary wind tunnel.OnEcRiTiCaL wrote: ↑05 Mar 2024, 17:57If Aston wouldn't be fast at 1lap I would worry also, because last year after Canada this happened. But this year actually Aston was fast on 1lap and in all sector! Anyway if you check the Q3 times from 23vs24 ,then they made a huge step at winter,just of course others made also. I think in the car have potential to fight against Ferrari,Mercedes and McLaren. I would wait at least more 2 race.KimiRai wrote: ↑05 Mar 2024, 17:47Stroll Sr himself said the target for 2024 was to improve from 5th place so yes you are right, anything below that is a failure.xReVo wrote: ↑05 Mar 2024, 17:39Honestly, for me Aston Martin, after half the past season used as a test, cannot afford to be the fifth force, even with this gap. But are you really satisfied with this? It looks like the amr23 post Canada, same problems on the front after months and months of testing etc. I was confident and optimistic, but little by little it's slipping away
I think this is a bit catastrophising after one race after one race. Alonso was 3.5 tenths off pole, that is not even taking into account possible track evolution of up to 1 tenth (as we're in hypothetical land) then apparently he made a mistake on the last corner which which cost him 1.5 tenths... So damn, the Aston was only 1 tenth slower than the Red Bull!!xReVo wrote: ↑05 Mar 2024, 21:18For your information, the gap in the flying lap between Aston, Ferrari and Redbull was almost 4 tenths (taking Leclerc's time in Q2 as a reference), which is a lot. And this happened in Bahrain which is not a motor track, in other tracks such as Baku, Monza but also Arabia itself, potentially in the flying lap he will take 1 second of gap. (without thinking about the race pace which will be even worse). Do you understand my concerns now? This is why I keep saying that the first race was fundamental, but it's gone now. And don't expect McLaren-style improvements, because I remember they had them after the proprietary wind tunnel.OnEcRiTiCaL wrote: ↑05 Mar 2024, 17:57If Aston wouldn't be fast at 1lap I would worry also, because last year after Canada this happened. But this year actually Aston was fast on 1lap and in all sector! Anyway if you check the Q3 times from 23vs24 ,then they made a huge step at winter,just of course others made also. I think in the car have potential to fight against Ferrari,Mercedes and McLaren. I would wait at least more 2 race.
