2024 Saudi Arabian Grand Prix - Jeddah, March 07 - 09

[Formula 1 fan]

Did Mercedes bring completely brand new rear wing compare to Bahrain race rear wing, or is this modification of Bahrain race rear wing?

[AMG.Tzan]

Did Mercedes bring completely brand new rear wing compare to Bahrain race rear wing, or is this modification of Bahrain race rear wing?

It’s exactly the same as last year in Saudi

[Formula 1 fan]

Did Mercedes bring completely brand new rear wing compare to Bahrain race rear wing, or is this modification of Bahrain race rear wing?

It’s exactly the same as last year in Saudi

Okay, thank you for reply and information.

[des_1986]

Did Mercedes bring completely brand new rear wing compare to Bahrain race rear wing, or is this modification of Bahrain race rear wing?

It’s exactly the same as last year in Saudi

No its not the same... its completely different!
2024:
2023:

[kenshi_blind]

Did Mercedes bring completely brand new rear wing compare to Bahrain race rear wing, or is this modification of Bahrain race rear wing?

It’s exactly the same as last year in Saudi

Okay, thank you for reply and information.

it's not the same wing at all lol, talk about spreading misinformation

[prendrefeu]

Nearby explosions should lighten up the sea.

Haha. Not sure if I wanted to laugh at that, but it's funny because it's sad but true.

I predict a few crashes, drivers noting that the track is unsafe, lots of consternation about safety cars, and time needed to clean up the debris from the crashes.

Max will win, again, and Mohammed Ben Sulayem will get that WC award over to Max now before his own issues go pear-shaped, which itself will have some teams quite upset, but not Horner. There will be more consternation, then the racing will resume for the next few months in which teams try to continue to develop their cars, drivers give interviews about their new seats for next year, and teams eventually say "we'll work on next year's car instead!" and the cycle, much like any F1 track, repeats itself.

Qualy: Maxxx, Sainz, The Clerk, Norris. The incredible Hulk goes to Q3, Alonso in 6th.
Race: Maxxx, Sainz, Norris, Perez, Alonso, The Clerk

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Merc wing is just modified wing from Monza/Vegas/Spa in 2023 (flap isn't cut and using gurney, and has U cutout behind DRS pod)

[Fluido]

merc still dont know why is car overheating and they were slower max 0.3sec, even with everything OK they cant attack Newey.
Obviously Lewis knew why he switch to ferrari.

[langedweil]

Sai getting ill ?
To keep up the consipracy train: Charles probably spiked his drink !!

[kenshi_blind]

Merc wing is just modified wing from Monza/Vegas/Spa in 2023 (flap isn't cut and using gurney, and has U cutout behind DRS pod)

https://cdn-6.motorsport.com/images/amp ... f1-w14.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/KFaRfSw.png

i'm genuinely curious, how can you list all these changes and still say it is just a modified wing from monza/spa/vegas ..are you implying the wing is not new if that's the case then a lot parts on these cars aren't new whether it's from Merc,Redbull, etc..

[AMG.Tzan]

Did Mercedes bring completely brand new rear wing compare to Bahrain race rear wing, or is this modification of Bahrain race rear wing?

It’s exactly the same as last year in Saudi

No its not the same... its completely different!
2024:
2023:

Oh yeah that’s right!

I probably confused Saudi with Las Vegas! Cause they definitely used this wing at Las Vegas late last year…

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Merc wing is just modified wing from Monza/Vegas/Spa in 2023 (flap isn't cut and using gurney, and has U cutout behind DRS pod)

https://cdn-6.motorsport.com/images/amp ... f1-w14.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/KFaRfSw.png

i'm genuinely curious, how can you list all these changes and still say it is just a modified wing from monza/spa/vegas ..are you implying the wing is not new if that's the case then a lot parts on these cars aren't new whether it's from Merc,Redbull, etc..

Most of the 2024 cars are using completely new wings. Merc are the only top team recycling wings with minimal changes from their 2023 car. I'm not saying it's a bad approach but it's different. Across the teams, Merc are the ones that have invested in a wide array of wings the least since beginning of 2022. They have the barn door (Bahrain 2022) the unspooned low df (miami 22), spooned medium df (bahrain 23), spooned low df (spa 2023). That's only 4 rear wings across the 3 years of regs.

Changing the flap cutout and changing the way the endplate connects to the 2nd flap is very different from designing an entirely new wing

[zibby43]

It’s exactly the same as last year in Saudi

No its not the same... its completely different!
2024:
2023:

Oh yeah that’s right!

I probably confused Saudi with Las Vegas! Cause they definitely used this wing at Las Vegas late last year…

No, no they didn’t. They used “a” wing last year, but not the one photographed for this weekend.

[Chuckjr]

merc still dont know why is car overheating and they were slower max 0.3sec, even with everything OK they cant attack Newey.
Obviously Lewis knew why he switch to ferrari.

After watching the above debrief video, I wonder why Merc do not have a larger tolerance than 1 to 2 degrees? (5-8 min of the video) That seems to unreasonable a tolerance with the variables that inevitably affect most any race. Certainly the amount of air reaching one car following another must be assumed can/could/will occur, and certainly Merc knew their pace going into the race was likely not within the top 2 places, and if falling out 1 degree causes a 2 to 3 tenths loss in time, it just seems an unwise engineering exercise to make tolerances that tight with a variance that is so costly. It doesn’t seem reasonable is what I’m saying — a set up for failure kinda thing — whereby it’s so impractical of a value the perfection required to carry out the task simply cannot be reasonably attained within the unknowns of a race.

Is it calls like this which cost Merc ultimately? Or is every team like this?

[CaribouBread]

After watching the above debrief video, I wonder why Merc do not have a larger tolerance than 1 to 2 degrees? (5-8 min of the video) That seems to unreasonable a tolerance with the variables that inevitably affect most any race. Certainly the amount of air reaching one car following another must be assumed can/could/will occur, and certainly Merc knew their pace going into the race was likely not within the top 2 places, and if falling out 1 degree causes a 2 to 3 tenths loss in time, it just seems an unwise engineering exercise to make tolerances that tight with a variance that is so costly. It doesn’t seem reasonable is what I’m saying — a set up for failure kinda thing — whereby it’s so impractical of a value the perfection required to carry out the task simply cannot be reasonably attained within the unknowns of a race.

Is it calls like this which cost Merc ultimately? Or is every team like this?

I'm not sure if the margins are in 1, 2 degree range as they say, but still, I think it is just the cooling philosophy of the team and we've seen this for quite a few years now. Recall those races where sometimes they've had to come through traffic and they struggled with engine temps. Even when their PU had the best power and efficiency, they used to run bafflingly thin margins on cooling - even when they could afford to run a bit looser with their cooling they stuck to the tightest solutions. Last race was a more egregious occurrence of the same philosophy. Perhaps it was a mistake, perhaps it was an incorrect simulation. But they all stem from the Merc aggressive cooling philosophy.