2024 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

This forum contains threads to discuss teams themselves. Anything not technical about the cars, including restructuring, performances etc belongs here.
User avatar
Vanja #66
1562
Joined: 19 Mar 2012, 16:38

Re: 2024 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

Post

scuderiabrandon wrote:
11 Mar 2024, 00:24
For Australia I'd expect them to run exactly the same rear wing beam wing as they did in Jeddah.

It's a bit more suited with the addition of more low speed corners. The single element beam wing reduced the drag for straights
Agreed, Melbourne is a lot quicker since 2022 and this was the configuration chosen by RB last year
And they call it a stall. A STALL!

#DwarvesAreNaturalSprinters
#BlessYouLaddie

Harvester
Harvester
0
Joined: 08 Apr 2018, 23:14

Re: 2024 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

Post

TeamKoolGreen wrote:
11 Mar 2024, 01:58
CHT wrote:
10 Mar 2024, 07:33
Fer.Fan wrote:
10 Mar 2024, 07:23
Please, stop this hype regarding Oliver Bergman. It was just P7, P11 in quali, that does not make him new Schumaher. Please move on. Well done by but only P7 with second fastest car on the grid. He was never even close to match or beeing close to Leckler.
Ollie has won the hearts of Ferrari fans and such opportunity doesn't come by easily. He has a future in F1.
Well now they have to wait at least 2 years before they can see him in a Ferrari. Will Bearman wait 2 years when other opportunities arise ? Doubtful
It's perfect. Hass for two years and if he shows he can do it then Ferrari. I doubt anyone from these top teams would take him next year.

CHT
CHT
-6
Joined: 14 Apr 2008, 05:24

Re: 2024 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

Post

Harvester wrote:
11 Mar 2024, 09:34
TeamKoolGreen wrote:
11 Mar 2024, 01:58
CHT wrote:
10 Mar 2024, 07:33


Ollie has won the hearts of Ferrari fans and such opportunity doesn't come by easily. He has a future in F1.
Well now they have to wait at least 2 years before they can see him in a Ferrari. Will Bearman wait 2 years when other opportunities arise ? Doubtful
It's perfect. Hass for two years and if he shows he can do it then Ferrari. I doubt anyone from these top teams would take him next year.
LH may shock the world by retiring from F1 earlier than expected.
I think Hass will be perfect for Ollie

basti313
basti313
28
Joined: 22 Feb 2014, 14:49

Re: 2024 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

Post

Harvester wrote:
11 Mar 2024, 09:34
TeamKoolGreen wrote:
11 Mar 2024, 01:58
CHT wrote:
10 Mar 2024, 07:33


Ollie has won the hearts of Ferrari fans and such opportunity doesn't come by easily. He has a future in F1.
Well now they have to wait at least 2 years before they can see him in a Ferrari. Will Bearman wait 2 years when other opportunities arise ? Doubtful
It's perfect. Hass for two years and if he shows he can do it then Ferrari. I doubt anyone from these top teams would take him next year.
Yes. I guess this is why KMag was driving his *** off for the team. At Haas it is now about being the best team player to decide who will go next to Bea in 2025.

Ferrari now has the Hamilton problem...as stated by some media...it blocks them now from hiring Verstappen and from hiring Bea sooner.
Don`t russel the hamster!

User avatar
chrstphrln
7
Joined: 10 Apr 2022, 10:27
Location: Germany

Re: 2024 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

Post

CHT wrote:
11 Mar 2024, 09:45
Harvester wrote:
11 Mar 2024, 09:34
TeamKoolGreen wrote:
11 Mar 2024, 01:58


Well now they have to wait at least 2 years before they can see him in a Ferrari. Will Bearman wait 2 years when other opportunities arise ? Doubtful
It's perfect. Hass for two years and if he shows he can do it then Ferrari. I doubt anyone from these top teams would take him next year.
LH may shock the world by retiring from F1 earlier than expected.
I think Hass will be perfect for Ollie
I could see Lewis quitting after a year because Charles was running circles around him. Absolutely nobody would be shocked.

But one should really slow down a bit when it comes to Oliver Bearman. His debut was very, very good under the circumstances.
He didn't make any mistakes, was consistent and scored points.
But some of the other lads from F2 would probably have done the same in his place.
Granted, few at his level, but he's certainly not the unique super talent that some media are making him out to be.
In my opinion, you wouldn't be doing him a favour if you put him straight into a top team alongside a Verstappen, Leclerc or Alonso.
I agree, Haas will do him good, an F1 season is long and we'll see how he develops.

User avatar
Vanja #66
1562
Joined: 19 Mar 2012, 16:38

Re: 2024 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

Post

A nice post-race interview with Bearman, pointing out how much he had to learn during the race. Can only imagine how much he'd have to learn still before being prepared to jump for a full season gig... And with all that, still a solid P7 and used all the chances he had to finish as high as he did. Can't ask for more from a rookie.

https://scuderiafans.com/ollie-bearman- ... ulkenberg/

You managed to make your way through with several overtakes…

“During the restarts (after the SC), I managed to pass Tsunoda, I think I caught him by surprise. I had a much better pace than my direct opponents, but they were better than me at managing energy consumption, something I had never done before. I practically took a crash course on the job.”

When I found myself battling with Hulkenberg, after a while, I understood he was using the battery at the right points, unlike me, it took me a few laps to figure it out. When you run out of charge, you have to wait another full lap to try again, I was a bit inefficient in this aspect, but I stayed calm trying to improve lap by lap.”
Judging by the warm embrace from Hamilton, I think Bearman will have his full support to replace him in Ferrari when Hamilton eventually retires.
And they call it a stall. A STALL!

#DwarvesAreNaturalSprinters
#BlessYouLaddie

Sevach
Sevach
1081
Joined: 07 Jun 2012, 17:00

Re: 2024 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

Post

jambuka wrote:
10 Mar 2024, 18:46
Ferrari needs to fastrack upgrades. Like get tall the upgrades till summer 2025 by race 15 this year. RB are going to bring big upgrades to imola and beyond. Else Ferrari will always find themselves 4/5 tenths behind.

I think what they need is for their upgrades to be substancial and bring a sizeable step.
And they might gain some tenths working on setup between now and then.

Space-heat
Space-heat
11
Joined: 17 Sep 2023, 16:01

Re: 2024 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

Post

I think it is already mentioned by other users but some interesting post-race pictures of the front tyres.

Image

Image

Credit: https://twitter.com/14Cl16

Some commenters say the tyres on the RBR are just marbles, but regardless, Charles's tyres look great.

Fer.Fan
Fer.Fan
0
Joined: 02 Mar 2015, 21:31

Re: 2024 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

Post

Space-heat wrote:
11 Mar 2024, 12:51
I think it is already mentioned by other users but some interesting post-race pictures of the front tyres.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GIV0QIFW0AA ... me=900x900

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GIV0QIBWsAE ... me=900x900

Credit: https://twitter.com/14Cl16

Some commenters say the tyres on the RBR are just marbles, but regardless, Charles's tyres look great.
In inlap Max pick up rubber, no big deal. Both Red bulls did.

User avatar
scuderiabrandon
102
Joined: 11 Feb 2023, 08:42

Re: 2024 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

Post

it's very easy to tell the difference between pickup & graining

this image is indeed pickup.

Space-heat
Space-heat
11
Joined: 17 Sep 2023, 16:01

Re: 2024 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

Post

Fer.Fan wrote:
11 Mar 2024, 13:48
Space-heat wrote:
11 Mar 2024, 12:51
I think it is already mentioned by other users but some interesting post-race pictures of the front tyres.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GIV0QIFW0AA ... me=900x900

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GIV0QIBWsAE ... me=900x900

Credit: https://twitter.com/14Cl16

Some commenters say the tyres on the RBR are just marbles, but regardless, Charles's tyres look great.
In inlap Max pick up rubber, no big deal. Both Red bulls did.
Fair. I am just happy we have a car that appears competitive on tyre wear after the first half of last year.

McLaren is bringing something small to Australia and Suzuka (https://formu1a.uno/en/mclaren-f1-estab ... ll-arrive/), so they might be closer in the next two races. It will be great to get a direct comparison with the sf-23 evo at Suzuka to see the progress made during the winter break. Charles finished 24 s (0.45 sec/lap) off Norris last year.

Image

LetHimTrough
LetHimTrough
0
Joined: 07 Mar 2024, 13:52

Re: 2024 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

Post

And ohh the silence around the team. How amazing it is! No "coups", no public leadership challenges or rumours even.

Hamilton done and dust, so driving pair solved for the crazy 2025 summer season and onwards.

No public opinion in Horner stuff, unlike Toto and Brown, just focus on Ferraris performance and path to success.

Liking more and more Vasseur's approach.

AmateurDriver
AmateurDriver
2
Joined: 22 Dec 2023, 11:28

Re: 2024 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

Post

Space-heat wrote:
11 Mar 2024, 14:43
Fer.Fan wrote:
11 Mar 2024, 13:48
Space-heat wrote:
11 Mar 2024, 12:51
I think it is already mentioned by other users but some interesting post-race pictures of the front tyres.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GIV0QIFW0AA ... me=900x900

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GIV0QIBWsAE ... me=900x900

Credit: https://twitter.com/14Cl16

Some commenters say the tyres on the RBR are just marbles, but regardless, Charles's tyres look great.
In inlap Max pick up rubber, no big deal. Both Red bulls did.
Fair. I am just happy we have a car that appears competitive on tyre wear after the first half of last year.

McLaren is bringing something small to Australia and Suzuka (https://formu1a.uno/en/mclaren-f1-estab ... ll-arrive/), so they might be closer in the next two races. It will be great to get a direct comparison with the sf-23 evo at Suzuka to see the progress made during the winter break. Charles finished 24 s (0.45 sec/lap) off Norris last year.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F6xi-FNXUAA ... =4096x4096
The car they brought to Bahrain and Jeddah is still their first iteration of the now "canonical" concept. Aston, Merc and McL were all in this condition already by the middle of last season. I think that them being second best at the starting of the season is quite an achievement per se, many thought McL would have been in that position. I hope they will enjoy the same big performance step that McL and Aston (more than Merc) found after fully embedding the concept.

User avatar
Vanja #66
1562
Joined: 19 Mar 2012, 16:38

Re: 2024 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

Post

AmateurDriver wrote:
11 Mar 2024, 20:42
The car they brought to Bahrain and Jeddah is still their first iteration of the now "canonical" concept. Aston, Merc and McL were all in this condition already by the middle of last season. I think that them being second best at the starting of the season is quite an achievement per se, many thought McL would have been in that position. I hope they will enjoy the same big performance step that McL and Aston (more than Merc) found after fully embedding the concept.
Don't get your hopes up, this downwash bodywork concept has very little to do with overall car performance. :)

Re-figuring out how to verify the floor design with CFD/WT and simulator tools after TD39 was the main thing and they managed to get back on track with Japan 2023 floor. What we see now is a direct offspring of this floor philosophy and all future performance improvements through upgrades will come as 2-3-4 tenths a lap at a time. If RB makes smaller improvements than others, Ferrari will be the first pretender for wins.

Of course, Ferrari has the most room to improve with bodywork improvements of the Top 5 teams, but this will be 1-2 tenths per upgrade most likely.
And they call it a stall. A STALL!

#DwarvesAreNaturalSprinters
#BlessYouLaddie

AmateurDriver
AmateurDriver
2
Joined: 22 Dec 2023, 11:28

Re: 2024 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

Post

Vanja #66 wrote:
11 Mar 2024, 21:31
AmateurDriver wrote:
11 Mar 2024, 20:42
The car they brought to Bahrain and Jeddah is still their first iteration of the now "canonical" concept. Aston, Merc and McL were all in this condition already by the middle of last season. I think that them being second best at the starting of the season is quite an achievement per se, many thought McL would have been in that position. I hope they will enjoy the same big performance step that McL and Aston (more than Merc) found after fully embedding the concept.
Don't get your hopes up, this downwash bodywork concept has very little to do with overall car performance. :)

Re-figuring out how to verify the floor design with CFD/WT and simulator tools after TD39 was the main thing and they managed to get back on track with Japan 2023 floor. What we see now is a direct offspring of this floor philosophy and all future performance improvements through upgrades will come as 2-3-4 tenths a lap at a time. If RB makes smaller improvements than others, Ferrari will be the first pretender for wins.

Of course, Ferrari has the most room to improve with bodywork improvements of the Top 5 teams, but this will be 1-2 tenths per upgrade most likely.
So, in your opinion (and loosely speaking, in a few words), what has worked as the main enabler of big performance gain for McL and Aston? I seem to understand something different from the Ferrari concepts. Maybe an imitation of Red Bull sculpted floor top that gives one always the best compromise though never the peak available downforce?