Aston Martin AMR24

[MichaelxScarn]

Pretty funny to see all the armchair aerodynamicists on Twitter. It looks less complicated than the Red Bulls so that must mean it is bad and under developed. Yeah.

like so many after presentation said the ferrari didn’t look ‚sophisticated enough‘ to be fast.

[Emag]

Pretty funny to see all the armchair aerodynamicists on Twitter. It looks less complicated than the Red Bulls so that must mean it is bad and under developed. Yeah.

like so many after presentation said the ferrari didn’t look ‚sophisticated enough‘ to be fast.

Most of the people (including me) said the Ferrari's launch spec looked bland, and I stand by that. Ferrari, and to a bigger extent McLaren, do look underwhelming. But, alongside that statement, there was the added disclaimer that looks absolutely do not correlate with performance.

Aston, Merc and RB in comparison looked quite a bit more 'aggressive'.
But there is no such thing as eye aero, so what turns out to actually work better practically may indeed be the most bland looking thing visually.

So obviously, we can't really comment on its efficiency, but the floor does look rather uninteresting. Although to be fair, that is only in comparison to what we saw from Perez's RedBull last year.

[Vanja #66]

Most of the people (including me) said the Ferrari's launch spec looked bland, and I stand by that. Ferrari, and to a bigger extent McLaren, do look underwhelming. But, alongside that statement, there was the added disclaimer that looks absolutely do not correlate with performance.

Aston, Merc and RB in comparison looked quite a bit more 'aggressive'.
But there is no such thing as eye aero, so what turns out to actually work better practically may indeed be the most bland looking thing visually.

So obviously, we can't really comment on its efficiency, but the floor does look rather uninteresting. Although to be fair, that is only in comparison to what we saw from Perez's RedBull last year.

The "issue" with latest cars is that the invisible part of bodywork is the one that accounts for 75-80% of overall downforce and the stability with which it is generated. As long as visible bodywork is mostly OK, and this has basically converged to huge-undercut+downwash sidepods on all cars now, you basically can't judge the car at all. Otherwise, AMR24 would be at least the 2nd best car and Sauber would also be right up there...

2017-2021 barge board complexity was one of the most telling performance signs, and so was the wheelbase. This is because both "parameters" directly accounted for added downforce. Front wing and diffuser complexity were right up there as well, while rear endplate complexity was a bit less of a performance differentiator. It was much easier to spot added complexity to the bodywork and an almost universal consequence was that it would add performance.

Just because AMR24 floor is not as complex as RB19 floor doesn't mean it's less good, in fact I'd say AMR24 is definitely faster than RB19. Ferrari floor was less complex than RB18 in 2022 and it was performing better overall until TD39 was imposed.

[Cassius]

Most of the people (including me) said the Ferrari's launch spec looked bland, and I stand by that. Ferrari, and to a bigger extent McLaren, do look underwhelming. But, alongside that statement, there was the added disclaimer that looks absolutely do not correlate with performance.

Aston, Merc and RB in comparison looked quite a bit more 'aggressive'.
But there is no such thing as eye aero, so what turns out to actually work better practically may indeed be the most bland looking thing visually.

So obviously, we can't really comment on its efficiency, but the floor does look rather uninteresting. Although to be fair, that is only in comparison to what we saw from Perez's RedBull last year.

The "issue" with latest cars is that the invisible part of bodywork is the one that accounts for 75-80% of overall downforce and the stability with which it is generated. As long as visible bodywork is mostly OK, and this has basically converged to huge-undercut+downwash sidepods on all cars now, you basically can't judge the car at all. Otherwise, AMR24 would be at least the 2nd best car and Sauber would also be right up there...

2017-2021 barge board complexity was one of the most telling performance signs, and so was the wheelbase. This is because both "parameters" directly accounted for added downforce. Front wing and diffuser complexity were right up there as well, while rear endplate complexity was a bit less of a performance differentiator. It was much easier to spot added complexity to the bodywork and an almost universal consequence was that it would add performance.

Just because AMR24 floor is not as complex as RB19 floor doesn't mean it's less good, in fact I'd say AMR24 is definitely faster than RB19. Ferrari floor was less complex than RB18 in 2022 and it was performing better overall until TD39 was imposed.

Was the Ferrari floor really better or was this due to plank deflection? Or was the performance of the RB18 floor masked by the car being overweight?

[hollus]

Let’s keep it on the AMR24 in the AMR24 car thread, shall we?
As usual, we ask users some extra focus to stay on topic (hardware, this car) in the car threads. So that they stay focused and information dense.

[Waz]

Pretty funny to see all the armchair aerodynamicists on Twitter. It looks less complicated than the Red Bulls so that must mean it is bad and under developed. Yeah.

The AMR24 is slower than the RB20 though, which probably has the same floor as the RB19, so they're not entirely wrong.

Of course, maybe AM have already found other ways to produce as much downforce as the tires can cope with, and the difference in performance is to be found in something else.

Qualifying times wouldn't be this close if the AM floor couldn't produce enough downforce for it's concept.

[f1isgood]

Pretty funny to see all the armchair aerodynamicists on Twitter. It looks less complicated than the Red Bulls so that must mean it is bad and under developed. Yeah.

The AMR24 is slower than the RB20 though, which probably has the same floor as the RB19, so they're not entirely wrong.

Of course, maybe AM have already found other ways to produce as much downforce as the tires can cope with, and the difference in performance is to be found in something else.

Qualifying times wouldn't be this close if the AM floor couldn't produce enough downforce for it's concept.

These regulations have indicated that pure performance isn't in itself enough to measure how much downforce a car has as most teams are very close to RB on saturdays and just fall off on sundays. It is more about what downforce cars carry with high fuel that seems to matter. Pure performance could simply be some cars being able to extract more tire grip from brand new tires under low fuel, which can cover quite well with inconsistent downforce for instance.

[diffuser]

Pretty funny to see all the armchair aerodynamicists on Twitter. It looks less complicated than the Red Bulls so that must mean it is bad and under developed. Yeah.

The AMR24 is slower than the RB20 though, which probably has the same floor as the RB19, so they're not entirely wrong.

Of course, maybe AM have already found other ways to produce as much downforce as the tires can cope with, and the difference in performance is to be found in something else.

Qualifying times wouldn't be this close if the AM floor couldn't produce enough downforce for it's concept.

"probably" sounds so armchair.

[Tommy Cookers]

... maybe AM have already found other ways to produce as much downforce as the tires can cope with .....

(how) is there a limit to the tyres ability to cope with DF ?

[peewon]

Just because AMR24 floor is not as complex as RB19 floor doesn't mean it's less good, in fact I'd say AMR24 is definitely faster than RB19. Ferrari floor was less complex than RB18 in 2022 and it was performing better overall until TD39 was imposed.

If you compare the first stints of RB19 and AMR24 in Bahrain, I would seem that the RB19 was probably quicker on average lap times. Not taking into account any difference in track conditions over the two years. Its also hard to nail down the absolute peak performance of the RBs because they definitely coast when leading comfortably.

[diffuser]

... maybe AM have already found other ways to produce as much downforce as the tires can cope with .....

(how) is there a limit to the tyres ability to cope with DF ?

His thinking might be about 2023 McLaren that was a much faster car with the tires that Pirelli released mid season. You could argue, it had more DF than the first series of 2023 Pirelli rubber could make use of.

[dren]

Pretty funny to see all the armchair aerodynamicists on Twitter. It looks less complicated than the Red Bulls so that must mean it is bad and under developed. Yeah.

The AMR24 is slower than the RB20 though, which probably has the same floor as the RB19, so they're not entirely wrong.

Of course, maybe AM have already found other ways to produce as much downforce as the tires can cope with, and the difference in performance is to be found in something else.

Qualifying times wouldn't be this close if the AM floor couldn't produce enough downforce for it's concept.

Drag might be in the equation somewhere.

[KimiRai]

Motorsport Italy says they've brought a new front wing which

has been revised in the last two flaps with the intention of improving the balance and finding a window for tire exploitation wider than what was seen in Bahrain and Jeddah.

"if the main profile and the first flap that supports the nose have remained unchanged, changes can be observed in the two upper elements.
The second flap, in fact, only has two metal supports that connect it to the first, given that the central one has been removed

"the mobile flap is newly designed with a decidedly shorter chord"

But comparing it with Bahrain, apart from the cooling slot at the nose I can't really see any other difference.

Am I blind?

https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-as ... /10589380/




Bahrain



Taken from here

It is new?
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GHcRaerWAAAqVuf.jpg

[Egresi Tamás]

Motorsport Italy says they've brought a new front wing which

"has been revised in the last two flaps",

"only has two metal supports that connect it to the first, given that the central one has been removed",

"the mobile flap is newly designed with a decidedly shorter chord"

But apart from the cooling slot in the nose which has been closed, I can't really see any other difference.

Am I blind? Where are all those changes?

https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-as ... /10589380/

https://i.imgur.com/pd7h41N.png


Bahrain

https://i.imgur.com/MPE9hLK.png

No you're not blind! New fw still hide.

[KimiRai]

No you're not blind! New fw still hide.

Well that's the photo they've used... "here is the new front wing brought to Melbourne"