2024 Australian Grand Prix - Melbourne, March 22 - 24

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Espresso wrote:
25 Mar 2024, 11:20
Looks like our bloodhound analytic Peter Windsor is on to something:
Is Brembo having problems with Brake Discs Production?
(Charles - Saudi Arabia, Max - Austrailia, Brembo teams replacing brake discs - Australia)
The timecode you linked is about Logan Sargeant and Williams.

Anyway. We'll not likely to get a honest answer if its a manufacturer issue.

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mzso wrote:
26 Mar 2024, 12:36
Espresso wrote:
25 Mar 2024, 11:20
Looks like our bloodhound analytic Peter Windsor is on to something:
Is Brembo having problems with Brake Discs Production?
(Charles - Saudi Arabia, Max - Austrailia, Brembo teams replacing brake discs - Australia)
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The timecode you linked is about Logan Sargeant and Williams.

Anyway. We'll not likely to get a honest answer if its a manufacturer issue.
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Craig Scarborough gives his thoughts about it. You have to scroll down for several tweets.

https://twitter.com/ScarbsTech/status/1 ... 5729921315

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Re: 2024 Australian Grand Prix - Melbourne, March 22 - 24

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Did Alonso had real problems with the throttle or did he lie? Alonso and Aston Martin haven't meantion about the throttle in their press releases. Did Alonso get caught with his pants down and that's why the penalty is so harsh?

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mzso wrote:
26 Mar 2024, 11:48
PlatinumZealot wrote:
24 Mar 2024, 17:42
RonMexico wrote:
24 Mar 2024, 16:51

Was the braking a factor? According to the FIA statement it wasn't.

People have died at Eau Rouge, lifting unexpectedly mid corner is hardly safe.

Would Hamilton get a penalty for that move now? I think he would
Did you read the final ruling?
Potentially dangerous defending.

Lift and coasting into what is essentially a straight is different than stabbing the brakes around blind high speed corner with a chicane after it. There is no comparison with Eau Rouge.
Then he potentially should have gotten a penalty, meaning not getting one.
So a person who attempts murder should be let go free then?
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I haven’t seen the full ins and outs, but looked a weak penalty to me.
Russel had lost control of his car before entering the corner. Shown by the understeer he had.

Wise move trying to call for a red flag though, meant he would have kept his position.

In theory, the incident wouldn’t have been any different if Alonso had a failure of any kind and ‘genuinely’ needed to slow down through the right hander.
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chrisc90 wrote:
27 Mar 2024, 14:16
I haven’t seen the full ins and outs, but looked a weak penalty to me.
Russel had lost control of his car before entering the corner. Shown by the understeer he had.

Wise move trying to call for a red flag though, meant he would have kept his position.

In theory, the incident wouldn’t have been any different if Alonso had a failure of any kind and ‘genuinely’ needed to slow down through the right hander.
I think the penalty was spot on. It's a dirty trick at a dangerous part of the track. Brake checking someone should always come with harsh penalties.
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PlatinumZealot wrote:
27 Mar 2024, 14:04
mzso wrote:
26 Mar 2024, 11:48
PlatinumZealot wrote:
24 Mar 2024, 17:42


Did you read the final ruling?
Potentially dangerous defending.

Lift and coasting into what is essentially a straight is different than stabbing the brakes around blind high speed corner with a chicane after it. There is no comparison with Eau Rouge.
Then he potentially should have gotten a penalty, meaning not getting one.
So a person who attempts murder should be let go free then?
If that person only potentially did so, then would be and always have been left free.
Last edited by mzso on 27 Mar 2024, 14:57, edited 1 time in total.

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SiLo wrote:
27 Mar 2024, 14:43
chrisc90 wrote:
27 Mar 2024, 14:16
I haven’t seen the full ins and outs, but looked a weak penalty to me.
Russel had lost control of his car before entering the corner. Shown by the understeer he had.

Wise move trying to call for a red flag though, meant he would have kept his position.

In theory, the incident wouldn’t have been any different if Alonso had a failure of any kind and ‘genuinely’ needed to slow down through the right hander.
I think the penalty was spot on. It's a dirty trick at a dangerous part of the track. Brake checking someone should always come with harsh penalties.
No brake checking occured though.

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You would think that Alonso didn't tell the stewards that he accepted blame for what happened based on the discourse here.

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PlatinumZealot wrote:
27 Mar 2024, 14:04
mzso wrote:
26 Mar 2024, 11:48
PlatinumZealot wrote:
24 Mar 2024, 17:42


Did you read the final ruling?
Potentially dangerous defending.

Lift and coasting into what is essentially a straight is different than stabbing the brakes around blind high speed corner with a chicane after it. There is no comparison with Eau Rouge.
Then he potentially should have gotten a penalty, meaning not getting one.
So a person who attempts murder should be let go free then?
hyperbolic nonsense

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mzso wrote:
27 Mar 2024, 14:56
SiLo wrote:
27 Mar 2024, 14:43
chrisc90 wrote:
27 Mar 2024, 14:16
I haven’t seen the full ins and outs, but looked a weak penalty to me.
Russel had lost control of his car before entering the corner. Shown by the understeer he had.

Wise move trying to call for a red flag though, meant he would have kept his position.

In theory, the incident wouldn’t have been any different if Alonso had a failure of any kind and ‘genuinely’ needed to slow down through the right hander.
I think the penalty was spot on. It's a dirty trick at a dangerous part of the track. Brake checking someone should always come with harsh penalties.
No brake checking occured though.
I mean, the FIA and the telemetry support this, but you're free to believe whatever you want and even state so online for all to see.
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This gives reasonable overview with look at pertinent data

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/vide ... 96501.html

Doesn't foment the hysterical slant but covers what really went down.

To think though two elements, that we're supposedly heading towards downchanging to recharge at end of straight in 2026 regulations :shock:

Also how on earth doesn't GR even get round the first lap in each race ? :mrgreen:

Whatever Alonso was doing, GR was definitely driving straight into the situation with no regard of outcome.

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Farnborough wrote:
27 Mar 2024, 18:25
This gives reasonable overview with look at pertinent data

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/vide ... 96501.html

Doesn't foment the hysterical slant but covers what really went down.

To think though two elements, that we're supposedly heading towards downchanging to recharge at end of straight in 2026 regulations :shock:

Also how on earth doesn't GR even get round the first lap in each race ? :mrgreen:

Whatever Alonso was doing, GR was definitely driving straight into the situation with no regard of outcome.
So it wasn't attempted murder?

The penalty was unjust. Russell was too greedy

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mzso wrote:
27 Mar 2024, 14:54
PlatinumZealot wrote:
27 Mar 2024, 14:04
mzso wrote:
26 Mar 2024, 11:48

Then he potentially should have gotten a penalty, meaning not getting one.
So a person who attempts murder should be let go free then?
If that person only potentially did so, then would be and always have been left free.
Meaning in doing that activity there is a strong possibility of it happening.

See precedents for "potentially dangerous driving" rulings below:

Vettel. Mexico GP 2016 - 10 seconds
https://images.app.goo.gl/c2VnYkLv3gochinN7

Bottas. Spining up wheels in the pit lane near people. Austria 2021 - 3 place grid drop


Grosjean GB 2020 - weaving on the track - warning
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It's very clear that Russell crashing influenced the decision.

Sending the other driver to the hospital would be black flag worthy then surely?