2024 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

[wickedz50]

We are lucky that Piastri did a mediocre lap compared to Norris or McL would have two cars ahead of us.

This is really concerning because we didn't see any progress on extracting more performance over a single lap from the first WE in Bahrain, especially because it seems they don't understand what is happening.

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The answer is from directly from Pirelli; Ferrari has a new concept that works better in the race than in qualifying as it doesn’t overwork the tires and, for comparison, Red Bull will suffer as much degradation as the others tomorrow.

It seems Ferrari hasn’t found the sweet spot in quali yet, that is understandable given the whole new concept compared to last year.

Looks that way since the season opener that Ferrari is unable to get the tyres up to temp required for a fast qualy lap, also in race it will take time to bring the tyres up to temp to start extracting full potential, this issue needs resolution fast,

[Xyz22]

We are lucky that Piastri did a mediocre lap compared to Norris or McL would have two cars ahead of us.

This is really concerning because we didn't see any progress on extracting more performance over a single lap from the first WE in Bahrain, especially because it seems they don't understand what is happening.

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The answer is from directly from Pirelli; Ferrari has a new concept that works better in the race than in qualifying as it doesn’t overwork the tires and, for comparison, Red Bull will suffer as much degradation as the others tomorrow.

It seems Ferrari hasn’t found the sweet spot in quali yet, that is understandable given the whole new concept compared to last year.

Looks that way since the season opener that Ferrari is unable to get the tyres up to temp required for a fast qualy lap, also in race it will take time to bring the tyres up to temp to start extracting full potential, this issue needs resolution fast,

Yeah, the mismatch is massive at the moment.
It's insane that we improved only by 0.9s compared to last year.

[CouncilorIrissa]

It's a better problem to have than the opposite. And they need to be careful to solve it in a way that does not hurt race pace.

Race pace is still king.

[Fakepivot]

It's a better problem to have than the opposite. And they need to be careful to solve it in a way that does not hurt race pace.

Race pace is still king.

but driver have reported dirty air has gotten worse, and overtaking will be harder...

[Sevach]

Yeah, the mismatch is massive at the moment.
It's insane that we improved only by 0.9s compared to last year.

Yeah very disappointing progress, even Mclaren got more and obviously this isn't a situation where Mclaren was awful last year.

It's a better problem to have than the opposite. And they need to be careful to solve it in a way that does not hurt race pace.

Race pace is still king.

Sainz is well positioned for a battle against Norris and get a podium, things could've been worst if Alonso did just a little bit more.
Charles will have a messy situation to get through however.

[Bill]

ferrari was slower in 2023 compared to 2022 so a 0.9 improvement is welcomed.

[Xyz22]

Yeah, the mismatch is massive at the moment.
It's insane that we improved only by 0.9s compared to last year.

Yeah very disappointing progress, even Mclaren got more and obviously this isn't a situation where Mclaren was awful last year.

It's a better problem to have than the opposite. And they need to be careful to solve it in a way that does not hurt race pace.

Race pace is still king.

Sainz is well positioned for a battle against Norris and get a podium, things could've been worst if Alonso did just a little bit more.
Charles will have a messy situation to get through however.

Yeah, Suzuka was one of the worst track for the SF 23 last season.
Our performance was terrible today.

[LM10]

What is concerning is that they don’t seem to have a solution and that could make the team vulnerable to McL, AM and MB in quali which is what happened today. This means that it will be impossible to challenge RB. If they want to have a chance of winning races they have to put pressure all the time. Finishing behind other cars that are not RBs is not acceptable

There is only one thing concerning at the moment and it’s that some people here seem to have completely forgotten the first three races. It’s like they never took place. The teams you’ve mentioned were miles off Ferrari in the races. Why should they even be a factor all of a sudden?

Ferrari’s lack of pace in qualifying is more of a concept and setup choice than anything else. It’s not like they’re desperately trying to improve their single lap pace looking at their approach to the practice sessions. They want to make sure (and I admit more than necessary at this point) that they have a solid race pace, especially on such a tyre demanding track. There is a reason Ferrari’s deg has been the class of the field in this season.

I know that even the best deg won’t help on a track where overtaking is difficult if you start from behind like Charles will be. That’s why they need to start getting more aggressive not only with the setup, but with the overall car. And I’m sure that’s what they’ve been looking into for a long time and will address with the first upgrade package. Wasn’t this expected by the way? Making sure the concept is the right one and works (which it obviously does) before starting to bring performance upgrades and some focused tuning?

[AR3-GP]

Would have expected more, but seems like Ferrari is still too conservative and looking too much at their race pace - to a point they lose track of their qualifying pace. The reason Charles says that everything feels well, but there is no more pace in the car is simply up to the car being well balanced and setup for the race in my opinion.

Comparing to last year’s fastest Q3 time from Ferrari this year’s fastest time is an improvement of 9 tenths. RedBull improved by 6 tenths and they’ve already brought a major upgrade which according to Marko has worked well.

If we consider that Ferrari is yet to bring an upgrade (I’m purposefully ignoring the minor modification to the rear suspension arm) and if we also consider that they again are focusing on races pace I don’t see the reason behind the overreaction of some people here describing the outcome as “extremely worrying”.

I can’t help but think that despite the good recent form of Sainz a happy Charles would have a clear edge in qualifying, but I think his poor qualifying pace relative to Sainz again underlines the conservative approach setup wise. Sainz excels when the car is less on edge while it’s the opposite for Charles.

What is concerning is that they don’t seem to have a solution and that could make the team vulnerable to McL, AM and MB in quali which is what happened today. This means that it will be impossible to challenge RB. If they want to have a chance of winning races they have to put pressure all the time. Finishing behind other cars that are not RBs is not acceptable

I think it's wrong to say they don't have a solution. You haven't given them an opportunity to introduce their upgrades for Imola.

[bluechris]

Guys, can we wait for the race tomorrow? Something in my mind is saying that because of the tyre's, Ferrari will be in a much better position and will gain places tomorrow.

[Xyz22]

Again i’m very disappointed by Ferrari performance today. 0.2s from McL, 5th fastest in S1, 7th fastest in S3. Leclerc was 0.1s slower than Sainz which isn’t great but also not a disaster and he is in P8. A relatively small improvement over last year considering Suzuka was one of the worst track for the SF23.

In my opinion is not acceptable to finish behind other cars that are not Red Bull. As a matter of fact Vasseur was also extremely disappointed today and he is 100% right. They need to get on top of these issues as fast as possible, because they also have a negative impact on the race due to the fact that you are in slower cars dirty air and tyre warm up isn’t very good for the first part of the stints.

This was a very poor showing, even execution wise. I’m sure the car will be quick tomorrow but that’s doesn’t change what happened today. This is not like RB last year where they were 1s quicker and could overtake the entire grid even starting last, so there is a lot of work to do. Adding performance through upgrades won’t be enough if other teams bring performance increase as well. Either you add way more performance or the situation won’t change. To have a small chance of winning races they need to be at least just behind the RBs.

[Venturiation]

Next season, 6 names will transfer from Mercedes to Ferrari. The agreement between the teams has been completed."

[Seanspeed]

See, this is why I hate Japanese GP with passion.
It never goes well. Never.

But a Great Track...

It's great for hot-lapping, but not for racing.
I'd rather have Fuji tbh.

Suzuka is fine for racing if you're not in a relatively modern F1 car. One of my favorite tracks to race on in sims. One of the biggest 'mistake points' for sim drivers to make is the exit of Spoon, so there's a strong chance down that straight, plus when 130R isn't flat, it gives another opportunity to gain an advantage and opportunity in the braking zone.

It's ok if not every F1 track is 'perfectly ideal' for overtaking. It's still possible to overtake here, it's not like Monaco or anything. We've gotten spoiled(in a bad way) with the overabundance of DRS zones on too many tracks. Overtaking should not be easy and DRS was never meant to make it easy, only make it more possible. It's refreshing to have tracks like Suzuka that aren't plagued by that issue.

[Chuckjr]

Next season, 6 names will transfer from Mercedes to Ferrari. The agreement between the teams has been completed."

In 2014 that would have been fantastic…but in 2024…

[f1316]

The way I look at this is that the gap to Red Bull in qualifying is now a genuine one. That is, the two cars warm up and use their tyres in a roughly similar way. This is as opposed to other cars - and Ferrari last year - where qualifying flatters the gap given better tyre warm up.

Red Bull chose this compromise and it’s inherent to the concept. It’s not something you can dial out with setup which is evidenced by the same trait being true in Monaco - if Red Bull could have sacrificed some race pace there for more margin in quali, they definitely would have. As it was, they squeaked into pole but pulled out as normal during the race.

Ferrari have now chosen the same conceptual compromise - so don’t expect them to suddenly dial in a way to extract more quali pace and have the best of both worlds. The solve is more pure performance. At the moment Red Bull can get away with the compromise because their overall margin over the other teams is sufficiently large - eg let’s say they have 5 tenths advantage per lap over McLaren in the race, they can afford for this to shrink to 2 tenths or less in quali and still be at the front. Ferrari, depending on track, don’t necessarily have this raw pace advantage and so, on days like this, may find themselves lower in quali but coming through. Tbh the margins were so small that it probably should have been 4th and 5th on the grid and that would have been fine to covert to 3/4 in the race, possibly even better. Leclerc only having one run in quali - which is ultimately on him - is the main fly in the ointment.