F1 balance of performance

[TeamKoolGreen]

It wouldn't bother me if the advantage of the dominant car of the day was capped at a certain level. They would still be fastest. Just not in another league. If we could cap the dominant car, it would force the dominant team to have 2 number 1 drivers. Because it wouldn't be as easy to win WCC titles. The performance of the 2nd car would be more important. You wouldn't be seeking out mediocre drivers for the 2nd seat.

The domination we seen in the Mercedes era and now just doesn't work. If you can guess with 95% certainty who the champion will be after 2 races, its just not nearly as entertaining as it could be.

And to think, we are going to go through all of this again in 2026. Somebody will nail the engine regs and we will know who the champ will be 2 races into that too. Engine reg changes are usually worse.

[CouncilorIrissa]

Literally watch any other racing series on the planet if you want this kind of thing.
Leave F1 alone.

[Muramasa666]

BoP= death of F1

[DChemTech]

How many threads among these lines do we need?

[De Wet]

It wouldn't bother me if the advantage of the dominant car of the day was capped at a certain level. They would still be fastest. Just not in another league. If we could cap the dominant car, it would force the dominant team to have 2 number 1 drivers. Because it wouldn't be as easy to win WCC titles. The performance of the 2nd car would be more important. You wouldn't be seeking out mediocre drivers for the 2nd seat.

The domination we seen in the Mercedes era and now just doesn't work. If you can guess with 95% certainty who the champion will be after 2 races, its just not nearly as entertaining as it could be.

And to think, we are going to go through all of this again in 2026. Somebody will nail the engine regs and we will know who the champ will be 2 races into that too. Engine reg changes are usually worse.

[the EDGE]

It wouldn't bother me if the advantage of the dominant car of the day was capped at a certain level. They would still be fastest. Just not in another league. If we could cap the dominant car, it would force the dominant team to have 2 number 1 drivers. Because it wouldn't be as easy to win WCC titles. The performance of the 2nd car would be more important. You wouldn't be seeking out mediocre drivers for the 2nd seat.

The domination we seen in the Mercedes era and now just doesn't work. If you can guess with 95% certainty who the champion will be after 2 races, its just not nearly as entertaining as it could be.

And to think, we are going to go through all of this again in 2026. Somebody will nail the engine regs and we will know who the champ will be 2 races into that too. Engine reg changes are usually worse.

Not meaning to be rude… but this kind of language will not be tolerated on F1t

[cplchanb]

BoP= death of F1

budget caps and prescriptive rules already killed it.

[TeamKoolGreen]

BoP= death of F1

Thats interesting considering WEC is thriving with it. Manufacturers are joining in droves. And there is actual racing because one car doesn't just drive into the sunset.

Manufactures seem to like tinkering with their own engines and ideas. And like to be left alone.

[Zynerji]

BoP= death of F1

Thats interesting considering WEC is thriving with it. Manufacturers are joining in droves. And there is actual racing because one car doesn't just drive into the sunset.

Manufactures seem to like tinkering with their own engines and ideas. And like to be left alone.

Cool. Then go watch WEC instead of F1?

There are lots of problems in this series, but a BoP is not a solution to any of them.

[TeamKoolGreen]

BoP= death of F1

budget caps and prescriptive rules already killed it.

Without budget caps, it was just a matter of what team chose to bring enough money to bear to buy championships anyway.

Some people still seem to believe that the romantic spirit competition exists in F1 today the way it did 40 years ago. Then again, there's also ppl who really believe the royal family still rules the kingdom. And to suggest that it doesn't is considered blasphemy.

[TeamKoolGreen]

BoP= death of F1

Thats interesting considering WEC is thriving with it. Manufacturers are joining in droves. And there is actual racing because one car doesn't just drive into the sunset.

Manufactures seem to like tinkering with their own engines and ideas. And like to be left alone.

Cool. Then go watch WEC instead of F1?

There are lots of problems in this series, but a BoP is not a solution to any of them.

You probably don't even know what WEC does. There would be more variance in the cars if F1 went similar to WEC. Not less. F1 is already a defacto spec series. Then when one car dominates, everyone copies that car. So in the end, you have a spec series anyway. This is why manufacturers don't like Indycar or F1.

[Zynerji]

Thats interesting considering WEC is thriving with it. Manufacturers are joining in droves. And there is actual racing because one car doesn't just drive into the sunset.

Manufactures seem to like tinkering with their own engines and ideas. And like to be left alone.

Cool. Then go watch WEC instead of F1?

There are lots of problems in this series, but a BoP is not a solution to any of them.

You probably don't even know what WEC does. There would be more variance in the cars if F1 went similar to WEC. Not less. F1 is already a defacto spec series. Then when one car dominates, everyone copies that car. So in the end, you have a spec series anyway. This is why manufacturers don't like Indycar or F1.

This is why we cant have nice things. Folks trying to homogenize the racing world.

No one wants WECF1. No one wants a full spec F1. No one wants BoP in F1.

If you disagree with any of those statements, you are probably watching the wrong series.

[deadhead]

BoP doesn't belong in motor racing.

[Greg Locock]

I've raced in various handicapped (yachts) and open (solar car) series. There is no doubt that performance based handicaps mean that the top teams are just racing their personal bests. That is not F1 as it used to be. For simplicities sake assume we ballast the top teams. That graph of added ballast vs recent performance will entirely govern the finishing order. Tweak it one way, Max will win. Tweak it the other way and anybody could win, because they aren't dragging 200 kg of ballast around. Or go Top Gear, make it a caravan. It'll be a circus.

[DChemTech]

I've raced in various handicapped (yachts) and open (solar car) series. There is no doubt that performance based handicaps mean that the top teams are just racing their personal bests. That is not F1 as it used to be. For simplicities sake assume we ballast the top teams. That graph of added ballast vs recent performance will entirely govern the finishing order. Tweak it one way, Max will win. Tweak it the other way and anybody could win, because they aren't dragging 200 kg of ballast around. Or go Top Gear, make it a caravan. It'll be a circus.

I'd opt for old Dutch DAF-achteruitrijden (racing in reverse) in that case.