2024 Oracle Red Bull Racing F1 Team

[Vanja #66]

The telemetry is not so easy to interpret because (mentioned several days ago), the wind directions changed. The tail wind on the main straight in 2023 was a headwind in 2024 so RB top speed is masked. The wind and track temperatures in the rest of the circuit between races also obfuscates. What you can see however from onboards is how much better the car looks in S2 and S3 corners, relative to both themselves last year and to rivals this year. It is not only Suzuka where you could draw such a conclusion. RB actually told us that these were the improvements.

Of course there was wind, I was talking about Esses and Degner 2. Both Ferrari and McLaren still improved massively in Esses since last year, so it's not just about the wind. RB improved low speed traction and kerb riding, they are definitley running softer this year

If there is no wind factor and same wing level used, is the RB20 inherently more draggy than the RB19 (due to more downforce from higher efficiency wings - front/rear/beam and diffuser) ? And when they say they have reduced drag with Suzuka update, surely they must be referring to launch edition RB20 and not the RB19 ? How else to interpret it ?

No no, it's the wind, all cars were slower on main and back straights. So far RB19 and RB20 are mostly matched on drag when using same wing levels. RB20 is harvesting more though, so sometimes doesn't reach the same top speed figures.

[Cs98]

The telemetry is not so easy to interpret because (mentioned several days ago), the wind directions changed. The tail wind on the main straight in 2023 was a headwind in 2024 so RB top speed is masked. The wind and track temperatures in the rest of the circuit between races also obfuscates. What you can see however from onboards is how much better the car looks in S2 and S3 corners, relative to both themselves last year and to rivals this year. It is not only Suzuka where you could draw such a conclusion. RB actually told us that these were the improvements.

Of course there was wind, I was talking about Esses and Degner 2. Both Ferrari and McLaren still improved massively in Esses since last year, so it's not just about the wind. RB improved low speed traction and kerb riding, they are definitley running softer this year

If there is no wind factor and same wing level used, is the RB20 inherently more draggy than the RB19 (due to more downforce from higher efficiency wings - front/rear/beam and diffuser) ? And when they say they have reduced drag with Suzuka update, surely they must be referring to launch edition RB20 and not the RB19 ? How else to interpret it ?

No no, it's the wind, all cars were slower on main and back straights. So far RB19 and RB20 are mostly matched on drag when using same wing levels. RB20 is harvesting more though, so sometimes doesn't reach the same top speed figures.

It's rear wind in the esses and degner as well affecting the speeds. It's just the RB19 was already amazing in high speed last year, whereas other cars had more to make up, and they have made up more (esp Ferrari).

Verstappen was ridiculous in the esses in 2023.

The RB20 still matched the 30,7s S1 from 2023, despite the unfavourable wind conditions.

[AR3-GP]

So far RB19 and RB20 are mostly matched on drag when using same wing levels.

The RB20 has more downforce than the RB19. If downforce has increased but drag is the same, it proves that the RB20 is more efficient than the RB19. You will have to make some concessions.

[AR3-GP]

A Red Bull which, through the first updates presented at the Japanese Grand Prix , re-shaping inlet (letterbox) and changes to the cooling system, has obtained a benefit relating to the development of the car. An RB20 now capable of showing off the required performance without worrying too much about operating temperatures.


Furthermore, there are various measures being examined regarding weight distribution which, obviously, must be as close as possible to the car's center of gravity (generally just behind the driver's shoulders). An aspect in which the RB20 proves to be very compact.

https://www.funoanalisitecnica.com/2024 ... ne-f1.html

[AR3-GP]

Over the years, I have felt that Red Bull lacks a strong propaganda department in comparison to Ferrari and Mercedes. This was the case even when they were behind.

[AR3-GP]

Of course there was wind, I was talking about Esses and Degner 2. Both Ferrari and McLaren still improved massively in Esses since last year, so it's not just about the wind. RB improved low speed traction and kerb riding, they are definitley running softer this year

Why didn't they think of running softer last year?

[Vanja #66]

The RB20 has more downforce than the RB19. If downforce has increased but drag is the same, it proves that the RB20 is more efficient than the RB19. You will have to make some concessions.

Can't remember reading anyone saying they have outright less downforce now. They seem to have lost a bit in medium speed and traded it for a lot better low speed and kerb riding. High speed they are still the best, McLaren close 2nd, Ferrari close 3rd.

Why didn't they think of running softer last year?

Because they couldn't?

[AR3-GP]

I find the way Paul Monaghan described the update to be interesting (I think this was posted before but wanted to discuss again). It sounds like we have yet to see updates which reflect areas for improvement that Red Bull discovered during testing and the first races. It's reasonable to assume that will come in Imola, along with the general conceptual progression of the car.

While teams are constantly battling aero compromises with additional cooling, Monaghan was clear that the extra inlet was not a response to any issues the team may have found in the early races.

Instead, he explained that the changes were part of an upgrade push that had been agreed before the RB20 had run in anger.

“It was actually done before we even turned a wheel in pre-season testing,” he said. “So, this was sitting there as a small performance gain. The question was, could we actually get it onto the car in the flyaway sequence?

“We looked at it and thought: ‘yeah, we can.’ We made some parts and got them to Australia, so some of it started there. And then we picked the rest of it up here.”

[dialtone]

I find the way Paul Monaghan described the update to be interesting (I think this was posted before but wanted to discuss again). It sounds like we have yet to see updates which reflect areas for improvement that Red Bull discovered during testing and the first races. It's reasonable to assume that will come in Imola, along with the general conceptual progression of the car.

While teams are constantly battling aero compromises with additional cooling, Monaghan was clear that the extra inlet was not a response to any issues the team may have found in the early races.

Instead, he explained that the changes were part of an upgrade push that had been agreed before the RB20 had run in anger.

“It was actually done before we even turned a wheel in pre-season testing,” he said. “So, this was sitting there as a small performance gain. The question was, could we actually get it onto the car in the flyaway sequence?

“We looked at it and thought: ‘yeah, we can.’ We made some parts and got them to Australia, so some of it started there. And then we picked the rest of it up here.”

In other words… this is our “won last season half way through update” so now they are all on the same steps.

[Sergej]

I find the way Paul Monaghan described the update to be interesting (I think this was posted before but wanted to discuss again). It sounds like we have yet to see updates which reflect areas for improvement that Red Bull discovered during testing and the first races. It's reasonable to assume that will come in Imola, along with the general conceptual progression of the car.

While teams are constantly battling aero compromises with additional cooling, Monaghan was clear that the extra inlet was not a response to any issues the team may have found in the early races.

Instead, he explained that the changes were part of an upgrade push that had been agreed before the RB20 had run in anger.

“It was actually done before we even turned a wheel in pre-season testing,” he said. “So, this was sitting there as a small performance gain. The question was, could we actually get it onto the car in the flyaway sequence?

“We looked at it and thought: ‘yeah, we can.’ We made some parts and got them to Australia, so some of it started there. And then we picked the rest of it up here.”

Interesting, I think this is in line with what Waché said at the beginning of the season:

“The goal is to find performance, and we’ll be aggressive in development. We’ll have an evolution in Japan, and another as we return to Europe to bring even more performance to the car or address any issues we encounter.”

which seems to suggest that a real performance gain will come by Imola (first european race). I think also they will "desperately" need that because, going by recent rumors, Ferrari are basically bringing a new car to Imola.

[Wouter]

Liam had to read his text from the autocue and did not know beforehand what it was about.

The Lawson Brand shampoo: “It bleaches my hair” Click on the feed for the video.

[AR3-GP]

“We were not in China for three or four years now, and I hope that we don’t have such a surprise there as in Melbourne, [where] the track surface was so aggressive and we are completely out of place in tyre wear, which is in itself one of our strengths.”

“There might be another surprise in this direction. But we have been warned by Melbourne and now, I think, we know more about how to react.”

https://www.motorsport-total.com/formel ... g-24041601

[Wouter]

Big interview with Adrian Newey.

Original German: https://www.motorsport-total.com/formel ... e-24041605

English translated : https://www-motorsport--total-com.trans ... r_pto=wapp

[chrisc90]

Always a man that talks a lot of sense. F2 cars are louder than F1 cars at the minute.

Wasnt it also Newey who said the 2026 engine regs would be a bit crap about 6-12month ago? And now look at the stories coming out.

[Wouter]

In an interview with the Kleine Zeitung, Red Bull motorsport consultant Helmut Marko spoke about the Christian Horner case,
the new strong man at the Red Bull Ring and possible successor to Max Verstappen.

Matthias Janisch
April 18, 2024

KZ: The Christian Horner case is affecting Formula 1. Things became quieter in Japan after your resignation was even discussed
in Saudi Arabia. What is the current status?

HELMUT MARKO: Basically it's about bringing calm to the team. And that is urgently needed.

KZ: Speaking of loyalty. After his start to the season, does Sergio Perez have the best cards for the Red Bull cockpit in 2025?
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KZ: In addition to “Checo”, Yuki Tsunoda is also advertising himself.
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KZ: Did you expect more from Ricciardo in the Racing Bull?
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KZ: Can you rule out an in-season driver swap, as happened last year, for 2024?
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https://www.kleinezeitung.at/sport/moto ... -lawson-im